Gun stance of presidential hopefuls

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by longtalltechsan

I hope I'm wrong, but here's how I see it playing out. The Republican Party will not take into account who the voters actually want on the ticket, they'll put the candidate with the most star power on the ticket, and that will be McCain or Rudy, neither of which I trust. McCain can't even keep it from being a traffic jam on the border of his own state when it comes to illegal aliens.

Anyway, I think it will be McCain or Rudy vs. Hillary and Hillary will win. The media won't give anyone else the time of day, except McCain or Rudy. They are the only 2 Republicans that have some of the "values" (if you want to call them that) of the dems.

This country is going to get much worse before it gets better. Illegal immigration is getting worse and they are about to get a free ticket into our country. Gun control is going to become a very common topic. And I am afraid we are going to see more of the jihad style attacks by muslims like in Salt Lake City and the other ones that you didn't hear about b/c the media won't tell you about them.

Great post!

That is exactly how I think the republican nomination process will work out. The media is already only paying attention to McCain and Rudy--they have also given some airtime to Mitt Romney. Tancredo has been on Foxnews once or twice, but that's about it.

I'm not convinced that Hillary will win, but I know she has a good chance.

Frank

[longtalltechsan]

I hope I'm wrong and that we have a great group of hopefuls to choose from. But I am scared that I am right and in that situation I see it a no win for many people. Taxes were brought up and that's one issue that I didn't even touch on that is very important. It is really hard to pay taxes when you see where the money is going. Last year I got $100 back on my federal return. My SIL & BIL got back $5000 because they qualified for the EITC. So how is that fair? I made more money than them, paid way more in taxes and they got way more back. That is nothing but welfare. And with their money they went to Hawaii. Not on money they earned, but on my and your dime.

[NMCB3]

Legalize industrial Hemp.- So what.

Voted no against military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorism.-Violates Posse Comitatus Act.

Voted no on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests.-4th Amendment violation among others.

War on drugs has abused Bill of Rights.-That is merely stating the obvious.

Legalize medical marijuana.-Why is Marijuana different than any other drug prescribed by doctors on a daily basis?

Rated A buy Pro Hemp, indicating a pro hemp voting record.-Since Hemp is used to make rope among other things again so what.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by NMCB3

Legalize industrial Hemp.- So what.

Voted no against military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorism.-Violates Posse Comitatus Act.

Voted no on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests.-4th Amendment violation among others.

War on drugs has abused Bill of Rights.-That is merely stating the obvious.

Legalize medical marijuana.-Why is Marijuana different than any other drug prescribed by doctors on a daily basis?

Rated A buy Pro Hemp, indicating a pro hemp voting record.-Since Hemp is used to make rope among other things again so what.

Exactly!...Paul looks at an issue...measures it against the Constitution...and votes!
Isn't that what we expect from our leaders? Or do you prefer the current crop of vacillating cowards.

[retired]

Voted no on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests.-4th Amendment violation among others.

Try telling that to my former dept. bosses. We were subject to that, tho I will admit in the 10yrs they had the program, I was only selected once, while some of my partners had to do it about 5-6 times.

It's like jury duty; once you get the first notice of it, you seem to get it every year like I did for 30yrs.

[far_fast]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Check out Tom Tancredo. He has an "A" record from the NRA.

http://www.teamtancredo.com/

http://www.teamtancredo.com/issues.php

Frank

and we all know how accurate NRA is on their ratings.......

NRA Endorses Gun Control Democrat, Lies About Ron Paul's Record

By Kevin Smith

Any doubt the NRA isn't a shill organization, have now been removed for all to see. The recent B rating given to Dr. Ron Paul (R) TX -14th District, is an outrage. According to the NRA's website as well as his challenger, Rep. Ron Paul's "B" rating indicates past votes for restrictive legislation. This is a blatant lie! When asked for the rating criteria, the NRA said they didn't publish one. According to Penny Langford Freeman, an aide to Congressman Paul, the lowered rating appears to be payback for Congressman Paul's opposition to the NRA's compromise gun locks legislation, which was added to a clean firearms manufacturer's protection bill.

On the other hand, Gun Owners of America, as well as other leading gun rights groups, rate Rep. Paul with an A+. When executive director of GOA, Larry Pratt was informed of what the NRA was doing, he was quick to come to the aide of the Texas congressman.

Larry Pratt went on to relate that from the time Ron Paul got to Congress in 1976 he has been the staunchest of defenders of the 2nd Amendment. From his first days in Congress trying to use a constitutional remedy, the ‘One House Veto' to return residents of Washington D.C. their gun rights, to the continual moans of his own Republican party, “Oh here we go again” every time he try's to strike down existing gun laws. Pratt continued “This is a guy who's the real deal”, “let's get behind Ron Paul! He's been behind us”. When asked how GOA rated the challenger Shane Sklar, Mr. Pratt said “he didn't return the form, which is a very bad sign”.

Young Mr. Sklar, whose main battle cry is that the incumbent doesn't bring home enough pork, is out of step, a relic that can't work the system for his constituents. Ignored and irrelevant, is the claim directed at the most principled person in Washington. Congressman Paul's bills are now being recognized by many around the country as necessary to saving this country.

A new wrinkle has been added with the fake ratings by the NRA, now Mr. Sklar has launched a new campaign site emphasizing the fact that he's an avid hunter and fisherman. We all know this line “I support the gun rights of sportsman and hunters”, says Mr. Sklar. Versus something that the Statesman, Ron Paul would say, “the Second Amendment is not about hunting or your right to shoot skeet”.

We need all men and women who believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, regardless of political affiliations to come to the aid of the last great statesman of the United States of America, veteran, doctor, and scholar; Congressman Ron Paul.

We are in the midst of a detailed investigation into Shane Sklar, he's a registered lobbyist here in Texas. With ethics violations swirling around, his ties to Big Agra and organizations pushing the National Animal Identification System (NAIS) are very troubling; he has all the earmarks of being the corrupt establishment's boy.

[wombat13]

Originally Posted by far_fast

and we all know how accurate NRA is on their ratings.......

NRA Endorses Gun Control Democrat, Lies About Ron Paul's Record

By Kevin Smith

Any doubt the NRA isn't a shill organization, have now been removed for all to see.

Far_fast, I asked this question of you on another thread when you posted that article: What is the source? The loaded wording of that first sentence makes it painfully clear that there is an agenda at work. If you won't provide the source, one can only assume that you have an agenda as well.

My agenda is to support all who are committed to the 2nd amendment. In assessing the national organizations, I think it would be difficult to disagree with the conclusion that without the NRA, we wouldn't have many gun-rights left to exercise.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by far_fast

and we all know how accurate NRA is on their ratings.......

If you are skeptical of the A rating given to Tancredo by the NRA, please check out ontheissues.org and research Tancredos voting record in respect to gun owners' rights. There you will find that he is 2A-friendly.

Frank

[wombat13]

Originally Posted by far_fast

and we all know how accurate NRA is on their ratings.......

Far_fast, what's your beef with the NRA? Seems like there are a number of folks on this board that are pi**ed off at the NRA about something and are looking for opportunities to knock it down. Yes, the NRA is not perfect. But it is the best of the national organizations at defending our 2nd amendment rights. Can anyone make an argument that there is another organization that has been more effective?

[far_fast]

Originally Posted by wombat13

Far_fast, what's your beef with the NRA? Seems like there are a number of folks on this board that are pi**ed off at the NRA about something and are looking for opportunities to knock it down. Yes, the NRA is not perfect. But it is the best of the national organizations at defending our 2nd amendment rights. Can anyone make an argument that there is another organization that has been more effective?

Well, first off, they are compromising way too much.

Second, CA and some other states have been completely ignored. It seems as though they are only picking fights that are a sure win.

I'd much rather join GOA than the NRA. I Dont know about comparing them in terms of effectiveness, since the NRA is much larger, but GOA is a non compromise pro gun organization, which is more than I can say for the NRA.