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FrankRizzoXD40 · 02-07-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Libertarians? Well, thats the closest fit, but I really find the Libertarians stance on drug use too loose for my liking.

That's one of the reasons why I don't join the libertarian party.

However, it seems like there are several factions amongst the libertarians. That is probably the biggest single reason why they aren't more organized as a party and can't mount more serious challenges in elections.

Frank

mullanman · 02-07-2007, 12:03 PM

To sum up:

Liberal=Ted Kennedy

Any more questions?

Son of Norway · 02-07-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mullanman

To sum up:

Liberal=Ted Kennedy

Any more questions?

Survey says: NO! Sorry, Mr. Mullaman but Rush Limbaugh does NOT properly use the word. Thanks for playing Definition Disasters!

**Frenchy** · 02-07-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

That's one of the reasons why I don't join the libertarian party.

However, it seems like there are several factions amongst the libertarians. That is probably the biggest single reason why they aren't more organized as a party and can't mount more serious challenges in elections.

Frank

How does this explain the success of the Dems?

Cryogaijin · 02-07-2007, 01:00 PM

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Your confusing voluntary participation in certain programs or organizations which you label "socialist" with state coercion and control.

Uh no. I'm listing items where the federal government has undertaken a task (or paid someone else to undertake a task) for the "collective good." The interstate highway program is an excellent example of that, and it is a shame they tore down so much rail to do it too. . .

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As far as roads are concerned,there were over 400 private road building companies in the US prior to the Civil War.

And? Private roads are few and far between these days.

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I could go on and on.

Do. I never said my examples have always been "socialist" merely that they are now. And they are. They're taking money from individuals for the collective good. IE redistributing wealth and energy.

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Your making the mistake of looking around you,and thinking that it has always been this way,when government control of peoples lives is a relatively recent phenomena.

That is not one of my faults. Ever.

PilgrimChapter33 · 02-07-2007, 01:15 PM

The terms Liberal/Conservative and Democrat/Republican have become increasingly perverted in recent years. That's why I reach back to older definitions/viewpoints and refer to myself as a "Classical Conservative" or a "Jeffersonian". Meaning keep the govt outta my life. Period. See the Federalist Papers (a newspaper discourse between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson) for more info.

FrankRizzoXD40 · 02-07-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

How does this explain the success of the Dems?

I never said it did.

Frank

FrankRizzoXD40 · 02-07-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mullanman

To sum up:

Liberal=Ted Kennedy

Any more questions?

lol!

Nice one!

Frank

NMCB3 · 02-07-2007, 02:21 PM

Uh no. I'm listing items where the federal government has undertaken a task (or paid someone else to undertake a task) for the "collective good." The interstate highway program is an excellent example of that, and it is a shame they tore down so much rail to do it too. . .

"Collective good" is a Marxist term that translates into wealth redistribution,which is diametrically opposed to liberty.Gov funded HWY`s are one reason why we pay more in taxes than serfs paid to their feudal lord.The difference was they knew the situation was oppressive,they didn`t pretend to be free. Roads funded by private investment results in less taxation for us all.One only has to look to history too find the proof.

Private roads are few and far between these days.

Yes,because the company's are feeding at the government trough,a fictional universe where projects cost many times what they would in real life,and waste and corruption abounds.All for the enrichment of the politically connected.

I never said my examples have always been "socialist" merely that they are now. And they are. They're taking money from individuals for the collective good. IE redistributing wealth and energy.

There is no rational argument against that statement.

NMCB3 · 02-07-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PilgrimChapter33

The terms Liberal/Conservative and Democrat/Republican have become increasingly perverted in recent years. That's why I reach back to older definitions/viewpoints and refer to myself as a "Classical Conservative" or a "Jeffersonian". Meaning keep the govt outta my life. Period. See the Federalist Papers (a newspaper discourse between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson) for more info.

A set of essays by Alexander Hamilton,James Madison,and John Jay to be exact,but I know what you mean.

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02-07-2007, 02:21 PM	#39
NMCB3 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Alaska Posts: 333	Uh no. I'm listing items where the federal government has undertaken a task (or paid someone else to undertake a task) for the "collective good." The interstate highway program is an excellent example of that, and it is a shame they tore down so much rail to do it too. . . "Collective good" is a Marxist term that translates into wealth redistribution,which is diametrically opposed to liberty.Gov funded HWY`s are one reason why we pay more in taxes than serfs paid to their feudal lord.The difference was they knew the situation was oppressive,they didn`t pretend to be free. Roads funded by private investment results in less taxation for us all.One only has to look to history too find the proof. Private roads are few and far between these days. Yes,because the company's are feeding at the government trough,a fictional universe where projects cost many times what they would in real life,and waste and corruption abounds.All for the enrichment of the politically connected. I never said my examples have always been "socialist" merely that they are now. And they are. They're taking money from individuals for the collective good. IE redistributing wealth and energy. There is no rational argument against that statement.