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justgotback · 02-11-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Since this thread is still active, let me reaffirm my hatred for Giuliani. We are hurting bad for candidates. I will vote independent or for Nader before any of the current candidates. If Giuliani is the candidate, I will start working now against the republican party. Time to order my Green Party yard signs and bumper stickers.

You really need to relax just a hair on Guliani. I agree as a Staunch conserative Republican that he is not a great choice, however that being said, I would never vote for Hillary Clinton. The fact that you said that leads me to believe you are not a true Republican. I just can't see any true conservative saying those words. Guliani is anti-gun, pro-abortion, and pro-gay rights. That is totally against the grain of the Republican beliefs, but he would be strong for National Defense and foreign policy. As an officer in the military I cringe at the thought of Hillary Commander n Chief. I will vote for Guliani if he is the Republican nominee. I truly believe he will change his views on abortion gun control and gay rights before it is over. If he wants the base to support him, he is going to have to change his stances on those issues...

jednp · 02-11-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by justgotback

You really need to relax just a hair on Guliani. I agree as a Staunch conserative Republican that he is not a great choice, however that being said, I would never vote for Hillary Clinton. The fact that you said that leads me to believe you are not a true Republican. I just can't see any true conservative saying those words. Guliani is anti-gun, pro-abortion, and pro-gay rights. That is totally against the grain of the Republican beliefs, but he would be strong for National Defense and foreign policy. As an officer in the military I cringe at the thought of Hillary Commander n Chief. I will vote for Guliani if he is the Republican nominee. I truly believe he will change his views on abortion gun control and gay rights before it is over. If he wants the base to support him, he is going to have to change his stances on those issues...

he would be strong for national defense, except when it comes to the people being able to defend against it's own country. We won't even be able to own BB guns to use for protection if we continue to allow our lawmakers to ban any useful weapon. He supports assault weapons bans. How on earth can you say you support the 2nd amendment, but that you have to use logic... basically in some cities you don't have much of a 2nd amendment is what he is saying.

Notice how when Hannity asked him if people should have the right to carry a handgun for protection? he stuttered a bit, and was like.. uhhh, yeah it's in the constitution, but I think obviously different cities need different laws, maybe if you live out in the middle of BFE you can own guns, but if you live in a city then you shouldn't own guns because there are people around.

he surely won't get my vote.

justgotback · 02-11-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jednp

he would be strong for national defense, except when it comes to the people being able to defend against it's own country. We won't even be able to own BB guns to use for protection if we continue to allow our lawmakers to ban any useful weapon. He supports assault weapons bans. How on earth can you say you support the 2nd amendment, but that you have to use logic... basically in some cities you don't have much of a 2nd amendment is what he is saying.

Notice how when Hannity asked him if people should have the right to carry a handgun for protection? he stuttered a bit, and was like.. uhhh, yeah it's in the constitution, but I think obviously different cities need different laws, maybe if you live out in the middle of BFE you can own guns, but if you live in a city then you shouldn't own guns because there are people around.

he surely won't get my vote.

I'm with you on the gun control issue. But when you speak about national defense you're talking about a totally different issue. Soldiers won't be denied the tools to defend the country, I am certain Guliani would not move to cut the military. Lastly, maybe there is a late comer that will enter the stage. Please don't tell me you would vote for Hillary. I am praying and keeping my fingers crossed that Newt Gingrich will enter the race. If you haven't read his book, everyone needs to read "Winning the Future". This guy is everything that America needs today. Strong morals, freedom to bear arms, freedom to pray when and where you want to. For those of you that are true Republicans, I highly recommend his book.

jednp · 02-11-2007, 07:58 PM

There's no way I would vote for hillary. Unless it was voting on whether or not she should be cast away on a remote island far far away from any other person.

I don't think that Giuliani would cut any funding to military, or that he would not give them any tools they needed. But I seriously doubt that he'd allow us to have the tools that we as civilians need, to ensure OUR freedom from our own govt. To tell you the truth, I don't ever worry about the freedom of our country, being threatened. That's not what freedom is. Remember when our forefathers came to this land.. they were NOT running from a country, they were running from a govt. Being free is not about keeping your country free from attacks by other countries all the time.. it means that you are able to live as a free person, without total control from your country. The ONLY way that can be guaranteed is through the right to keep and bear arms. and by arms they did not intend it to mean single shot .22 rifles. which is what we'll end up with if some politicians have their way.

Freedom as we know it, some day will only be a state of mind... instead of a way of life if we don't continue to defend it.

justgotback · 02-11-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jednp

To tell you the truth, I don't ever worry about the freedom of our country, being threatened. That's not what freedom is. Remember when our forefathers came to this land.. they were NOT running from a country, they were running from a govt. Being free is not about keeping your country free from attacks by other countries all the time..
Freedom as we know it, some day will only be a state of mind... instead of a way of life if we don't continue to defend it.

I do want to stress, a point here. You mentioned you don't think that freedom is about keeping your country free from attacks. I disagree with you wholeheartedly on this. Do you remember the restrictions placed on us after 9-11? People were living in fear, taking parachutes to work if they worked in high rise buildings. If we do not continue to go after terrorists and prevent another terrorist attack, the freedom that you are speaking of, will be changed dramatically. Let's keep our guns, keep our freedom of prayer, and kill the Islamic extremists bastards that want to destroy our way of living here in the United States...

jednp · 02-11-2007, 08:25 PM

but lets be realistic here, islamic terrorists aren't going to take over our country and force us to be ruled by islam. Are they attacking us? yes, of course they are. But I do not feel that we are in any way threatened by control from them. Our country can be attacked by anyone. But notice how other countries don't attack us? They know better.

So that's why I say we're not at much risk of attack from foreign invaders.. sure we're at risk from suicide bombers.. but I don't think we're going to be like some little country overrun by the Germans in WWII where they totally control us. We can handle ourselves against that.

Freedom is the rights that our founding fathers gave us. The right to free speech, right to keep and bear arms, freedom to practice whatever religion. In case you haven't noticed, any rights that have been infringed upon because of terrorists were NOT endangered by the terrorists, they were endangered by our own govt all in the name of "safety". Our own govt is our biggest threat to our own freedom, and they keep doing everything they can to make us fear them, take away certain weapons, militarize their police forces to come knocking door to door.

I can see it now.. a new tv show.. U.S.A SWAT! Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

LUVMYSIGP225 · 02-12-2007, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by justgotback

You really need to relax just a hair on Guliani. I agree as a Staunch conserative Republican that he is not a great choice, however that being said, I would never vote for Hillary Clinton. The fact that you said that leads me to believe you are not a true Republican. I just can't see any true conservative saying those words. Guliani is anti-gun, pro-abortion, and pro-gay rights. That is totally against the grain of the Republican beliefs, but he would be strong for National Defense and foreign policy. As an officer in the military I cringe at the thought of Hillary Commander n Chief. I will vote for Guliani if he is the Republican nominee. I truly believe he will change his views on abortion gun control and gay rights before it is over. If he wants the base to support him, he is going to have to change his stances on those issues...

I will never vote for Giuliani.

BTW, I am not conservative. I am more moderate or independent. Although, I have given my vote to Repubs most of my life. Of all the issues you listed, guns are the only one dear to my heart. Why didn't you state Giuliani's support for illegal immigration? I am MILITANT anti-immigration. I am more worried about that than the abortion issue. I come from the line of thought that people who would opt for an abortion are the best candidates for one. My vote will go to a Libertarian or possibly a write-in before it goes to Giuliani. Of all of my conservative friends, I know of none of them that would vote for Giuliani.

tenring · 02-12-2007, 05:06 AM

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but if you live in a city then you shouldn't own guns because there are people around.

Yeah, and when I lived in a town of 4000 in the middle of farm country, I really didn't feel the need to carry, it was safe, cause there were no people!

Now that I live in the Northern Suburbs of New Fallujah I should be carrying an AR in a sling on my chest everywhere, with a couple frags clipped on just in case.

Rudy is marginally better than Hill, but hes a politician who would sign just about any gun control legislation our pansy legislature sent him. Its definitely a matter of concern. The Republican party needs to get back to what gave them political power, conservative ideas, the kind typified by the gipper! I sure do miss that man, and until they get straightened around and realize that by out libbing the libs they will just lose their conservative base, they will continue to spiral out of power and lose to left wing wackos who have the support of the media and the hollywood elites.

Rudy doesn't need to worry about carrying a gun for protection cause he has heavily armed police security and now probably secret service around him 24/7. Makes ones position on "gun control" a bit hypocritical.

BTW, I have no problem on restrictions on carry laws. You should at least be able to hit the broadside of a barn, and know the law before you are allowed to carry, and most felons should not be allowed to carry, but any ban or restriction on weapon types, etc should be immediately thrown out as unconstitutional. Including in the cities where people live, what a load of crap.

And those who want to vote for hill and "send a message" take a look at what that got us in this past election, a congressload of weasily corrupt beuracraps to replace the republican ones we already had. Michigan sent pres. Bush a message by electing Jenny as the governor over Dick DeVos and we are now getting set for record tax increases and every dept. in the state having it spending raised! In a state where there are about 5 jobs available. Her quote last week was "we have to continue to invest in educating our workforce" yeah, so they can get schooled for free/cheap and move outta the state to where there are jobs!!!!!!!! So much for sending a message, now we are all taking it in the rear. I really get pi$$d about those who "send a message" and in doing so abandon their principles, they are no better than the politicians who do similar things just to get elected.

Timmy44221 · 02-12-2007, 06:16 AM

I havent had time to read this whole thread but I dont think this was beought up. Guliani(sp?) is a big supported of the way our federal system of governemt works, In the sence that states rights come first. While he supports gun gontrol, he has also commented that ITs up to the state to make that desicion. I dont have time to post sources right now.

**turbosupra1313** · 02-12-2007, 06:23 AM

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02-11-2007, 07:58 PM	#34
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	There's no way I would vote for hillary. Unless it was voting on whether or not she should be cast away on a remote island far far away from any other person. I don't think that Giuliani would cut any funding to military, or that he would not give them any tools they needed. But I seriously doubt that he'd allow us to have the tools that we as civilians need, to ensure OUR freedom from our own govt. To tell you the truth, I don't ever worry about the freedom of our country, being threatened. That's not what freedom is. Remember when our forefathers came to this land.. they were NOT running from a country, they were running from a govt. Being free is not about keeping your country free from attacks by other countries all the time.. it means that you are able to live as a free person, without total control from your country. The ONLY way that can be guaranteed is through the right to keep and bear arms. and by arms they did not intend it to mean single shot .22 rifles. which is what we'll end up with if some politicians have their way. Freedom as we know it, some day will only be a state of mind... instead of a way of life if we don't continue to defend it.

02-11-2007, 08:25 PM	#36
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	but lets be realistic here, islamic terrorists aren't going to take over our country and force us to be ruled by islam. Are they attacking us? yes, of course they are. But I do not feel that we are in any way threatened by control from them. Our country can be attacked by anyone. But notice how other countries don't attack us? They know better. So that's why I say we're not at much risk of attack from foreign invaders.. sure we're at risk from suicide bombers.. but I don't think we're going to be like some little country overrun by the Germans in WWII where they totally control us. We can handle ourselves against that. Freedom is the rights that our founding fathers gave us. The right to free speech, right to keep and bear arms, freedom to practice whatever religion. In case you haven't noticed, any rights that have been infringed upon because of terrorists were NOT endangered by the terrorists, they were endangered by our own govt all in the name of "safety". Our own govt is our biggest threat to our own freedom, and they keep doing everything they can to make us fear them, take away certain weapons, militarize their police forces to come knocking door to door. I can see it now.. a new tv show.. U.S.A SWAT! Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

02-12-2007, 06:16 AM	#39
Timmy44221 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 797	I havent had time to read this whole thread but I dont think this was beought up. Guliani(sp?) is a big supported of the way our federal system of governemt works, In the sence that states rights come first. While he supports gun gontrol, he has also commented that ITs up to the state to make that desicion. I dont have time to post sources right now.