Global Warming is Natural

[NewXD40fun]

Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity

Tue Jan 30 2007

Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth’s last million years. The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth’s temperatures following variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book cites the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth’s temperatures by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It notes that global climate models can’t accurately register cloud effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark’s team mimicked the chemistry of earth’s atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets—cloud seeds—started floating through the chamber.

“We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons [generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei,” says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in the sun’s irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth’s temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth’s atmosphere from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural, 1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the why and how.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm



This confirms my past statements that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING. Anything you do to reduce CO2 emmisions is USELESS. But if it makes you feeeeeeel good about yourself then by all means, follow Al Gore....


The Democrats will have to find another hot-button (pun intended) issue to fool us with.

Tom

[bd]

Sure global warming is natural, just like blisters are on your skin are when it's subjected to a hot surface.

Friday's report will tell the tale. The opinions of the world's 500 leading scientists cannot be disputed by those who only care about the dollar amount on the bottom line on a spreadsheet.

Those books will be worthless after Friday. Better see if you can get your money back before it's too late.

An economist's opinion on global warming.......really ?????

bd

[slugger6]

I teach a university course on Environmental Management. The two books I require the students to read are An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore and State of Fear by Michael Crichton. They are basically a point and counterpoint on global warming and other environmental issues. Crichton, a Harvard educated MD, as my students put it, "blows away" Gore's arguments. I recommend that anyone interested in this topic read both books. Once you do I would like to see you post your opinions here in this forum.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by bd

Sure global warming is natural, just like blisters are on your skin are when it's subjected to a hot surface.

Friday's report will tell the tale. The opinions of the world's 500 leading scientists cannot be disputed by those who only care about the dollar amount on the bottom line on a spreadsheet.

Those books will be worthless after Friday. Better see if you can get your money back before it's too late.

An economist's opinion on global warming.......really ?????

bd

With all due respect, bd...That world caucus is stacked, and you know it.

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by bd

Sure global warming is natural, just like blisters are on your skin are when it's subjected to a hot surface.

Friday's report will tell the tale. The opinions of the world's 500 leading scientists cannot be disputed by those who only care about the dollar amount on the bottom line on a spreadsheet.

Those books will be worthless after Friday. Better see if you can get your money back before it's too late.

An economist's opinion on global warming.......really ?????

bd

Do you think the report will say something bad about the USA? China? Africa? India? Palestine? Soviet Union?

There is nothing anyone can do to stop global warming so why worry about it.


Tom

[Cryogaijin]

There is nothing anyone can do to stop global warming so why worry about it.

I'm not so sure about that. I think that quite honestly there is very little that can't be accomplished with enough willpower (And money. . .)

I don't think any scientist disputes that there are periodic fluctuations in temperature. After all, most of the northern hemisphere isn't covered in ice ATM. The big question is if people contribute.

Let me repeat this in more simple terms. The question isn't if humans CAUSE global warming, but how much (if at all) they impact it.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

There is nothing anyone can do to stop global warming so why worry about it.

This is the kind of thinking that discourages thinking, progress, hopefulness, and a future.

Men couldn't fly because they were born without wings. "Why worry about it"? They had legs and could walk. They had no ability to swim great distances, so "why worry about it"? Stay home! Walk to the water's edge, and see the edge of the world!

Seemed natural to dump waste into our rivers, streams, lakes and oceans. "Why worry about it"?

Saying "there is nothing anyone can do" is about as lame a statement as I have read from XD40Fun. And that is saying quite a lot.

Nothing anyone could do about polio, smallpox, black plague, etc. Why worry about it?

We should all be thankful there are more optimistic and open minded people in the world than those who feel that "we can't do anything" (to make things better).

Sort of surprising to hear this from a self proclaimed "neo-con". After all, they seem to have no problem making things better for themselves when it comes to exploiting those in need if there is a profit motive.

Somehow the development of the conversion of fossil fuel to energy seems to be an exception to these people. In this case they worried about making things "better" by providing a way to use the energy to accommodate rapid transportation, etc. The side effects of pollution, monopolies and other unfair business practices, seem to be "unavoidable" - "nothing we can do" - So convenient when this works to one's advantage.

"There is nothing anyone can do to stop global warming so why worry about it."

If ever there was a better example of an opinion (in this case, an almost certainly wrong opinion) being presented as if it were a fact, I would love to hear of an example.

Originally Posted by Cryogaijin

The question isn't if humans CAUSE global warming, but how much (if at all) they impact it.

I agree. I would add that we may also say "how much (if at all) they can do to reduce the effects. I believe that the hole in the ozone layer (for example) has been shrunk since the reduction in CFC's released into the atmosphere.

Peace,
D.

[Mark S.]

In a February 2001 letter to the Washington Post, Singer denied receiving funding from the oil industry, except for consulting work some 20 years prior. While funds were not directed to Singer in his name, publicly available documents show that Singer's non-profit corporation SEPP received multiple grants from ExxonMobil, including in 1998 and 2000.[9]

[Brickboy240]

I would love to know where all 500 of these scientists came from. Who funded them. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Remember a few years ago, the study put out stating that oatmeal reduced cholesterol levels? Every news report led us to believe that the oatmeal itself caused the lowering, when it was the fact that eating oatmeal instead of eggs and bacon is what actually caused cholesterol to go down. Guess who funded that "study"...Quaker Oats! Lesson learned: always know the source of a study before believing it hook, line and sinker.

I am not going to argue with you that the earth is not warming and that maybe (because we do NOT know for sure) man is causing it, but my problem lies with the "studies" done on both sides of this issue.

Number one. Will We EVER get an unbiased study? One without a political agenda behind it? Everything we have seen to date comes from one side of the asile or the other or from those with an agenda to push. Al Gore or Exxon.

Number two. Where is the proof that we CAN stop the warming? Say, we all ride bikes tomorrow and stop burning fossil fuels and totally rearrange our economy (which is what this change will cause) and the earth continues to warm. What do we do then? Will the anti-SUV people and the rest of the greens just shrug their shoulders and say, "oh well...we tried...better luck next time." Sorry, but thats a hell of a price to pay for wrecking our economy. How irresponsible is that? Will the greens shoulder the responsiblilty if we fail to stop the warming? Probably not.

Number three. Wouldn't it make more sense to adjust to the warming (since its not that rapid or extreme) than wreck life as we know it, trying to stop the warming with no guarantee it will stop the warming?

It has nothing to do with being closed minded towards the issue, but we are destined for all sorts of problems if we start wildly changing up the way we do everything. Especially if the "reports" and "studies" are all funded by one side or anohter of a political agenda.

- Brickboy240

[tenring]

Clearly we aren't doing enough to combat global warming. You all can help!!!

Heres my plan.

Thanks to the Matrix, I know that a human being puts off as much heat as a 40 watt bulb which soon will be illegal in CA, also, the emission of greenhouse gases, CO2 and Methane is a smoking gun when it comes to the greenhouse effect and the horrifying devastation of the ozone layer. Humans and cattle provide nearly 1% of the CO2 and methane emmissions on the planet. (wait that can't be right, you mean volcanoes produce most of it, hmm, will save that for phase 2)

My fellow XDTalkers who care about the warming planet, lets begin removing those humans who are contributing to global warming, while not contributing positively to our society and planet. WE have the weapons, if we lobby congress through a two pronged attack, the NRA, and Greenpeace, we can get approval to slaughter large amounts of people and get them to legalize automatical weapons to make it easier, and possibly contribute to saving the planet.

We will call it "natural cleansing" and the ones with the best firepower will inherit a cooler planet! We will also contribute to national security by reducing the demand for foreign oil, and we will be able to eliminate prisons and provide an ongoing supply of fertilizer to re-grow the rainforests.

We will need a government bipartisan committee to approve "the list" of those who we can legally slaughter (for the collective good of course) and they will also be able to give us badges we can wear on bands on our arms to be authorized to deal with the "human heater problem"