Global Warming is Natural

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

It's Global Whitening...

is that from the over use of teeth whitening products?

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by beardman2

is that from the over use of teeth whitening products?

[eleanor]

Originally Posted by Old School

I heard today that Alaska has had record snow fall this year. Is that Global Warming or Global Cooling, I forget?

In addition, the central portion of Antartica has more snow cover, while the ice shelf is melting. Or, as the ocean heats, there is more evaporation, leading to more precipitation.

More evaporation, leading to stronger storms. Hurricanes are, on average, 50% stronger now than they were in the 1970's.

By the way, there is even talk about problems with ocean currents -- if the Gulf Stream were to slow, stop, or change, there is a very good chance that the climate in the British Isles would change drastically. Without the warm water flowing north, those islands would be much colder. Bermuda would also be affected, etc., etc., etc.

Those changes would play havoc with fish -- changing the flow of nutrients, growth of plankton and krill, most likely leading to changes in range and perhaps extinctions. So, global warming could lead to some places becoming colder.

It could make this place very different.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by eleanor

In addition, the central portion of Antartica has more snow cover, while the ice shelf is melting. Or, as the ocean heats, there is more evaporation, leading to more precipitation.

More evaporation, leading to stronger storms. Hurricanes are, on average, 50% stronger now than they were in the 1970's.

By the way, there is even talk about problems with ocean currents -- if the Gulf Stream were to slow, stop, or change, there is a very good chance that the climate in the British Isles would change drastically. Without the warm water flowing north, those islands would be much colder. Bermuda would also be affected, etc., etc., etc.

Those changes would play havoc with fish -- changing the flow of nutrients, growth of plankton and krill, most likely leading to changes in range and perhaps extinctions. So, global warming could lead to some places becoming colder.

It could make this place very different.

I thik that's called evolution.

[Cryogaijin]

Originally Posted by Old School

I heard today that Alaska has had record snow fall this year. Is that Global Warming or Global Cooling, I forget?

Warming. At least in the Interior of Alaska it is usually too cold to snow most of the winter.

This winter is averaging 20-30 degrees warmer than normal, and this has been the trend for the last couple years.

I miss my 60 below, damnit!!

[Dakotaranger]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity

Tue Jan 30 2007

Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth’s last million years. The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth’s temperatures following variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book cites the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth’s temperatures by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It notes that global climate models can’t accurately register cloud effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark’s team mimicked the chemistry of earth’s atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets—cloud seeds—started floating through the chamber.

“We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons [generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei,” says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in the sun’s irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth’s temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth’s atmosphere from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural, 1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the why and how.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm



This confirms my past statements that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING. Anything you do to reduce CO2 emmisions is USELESS. But if it makes you feeeeeeel good about yourself then by all means, follow Al Gore....


The Democrats will have to find another hot-button (pun intended) issue to fool us with.

Tom

All I know is it's supposed to be a -21 F Saturday and every winter I pray for global warming but we really don't get any. I'll only buy global warming exists when Greenland is farmable like it was in 1000 AD and No Dak is a tropical paradise that it was during the crustation period of history.

[XDinNC]

Originally Posted by 9mmPara

So what exactly is the scientific relationship between reduction of smog and the globe getting colder? Your comment is more of correlational assumption.

I said "Or maybe the smog was keeping things cool". As in the radiative energy of the sun was being reduced due to low-level smog. Kind of a reverse greenhouse effect.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Old School

I heard today that Alaska has had record snow fall this year. Is that Global Warming or Global Cooling, I forget?

LOL--don't forget the orange crops in Southern CA that FROZE TO DEATH!

Frank

[Fender_bender]

Here in WV the late 20's and early thirties saw winter temps in the 70's. I look at heat records on weather.com and the record high is always back in 1930 and record lows are usually in 1960. Global warming is a phase. Some people give man too much power. I fixed Global warming anyway last month with this switch I found.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/3...8f33e54ec0.jpg

[mullanman]

Originally Posted by Cryogaijin

I'd be willing to bet that a large % of those scientists don't know where their money comes from.

My mother used to work as a grant-writer for a major plant biology research non-profit. They did all sorts of research, from the effect of the argentinian ant invasion on native plant species, to watching a blue-green algae forming a symbiosis with sea anemonies, to tracking ocean pollution using Mangrove trees, to seeing just eactly how much carbon plants absorb, and if the would absorb more if more were provided.

The researchers came up with a hypothesis interesting to them, and applies to the institute for funding to run their expiriment. The institute weighs the merits of research, and if the research can be accomplished with their budget, they bring on the researcher.

The job of the grantwriter was to look through offered grants and apply to as many as possible that fit the criteria.

Now the carbon absorbtion research that I mentioned was funded primarily through the NSF (National science foundation) in the beginning. However the research was in an area that qualified for some oil company grants and some environmentalist grants. For a time all sides were funding the research. The researcher involved was oblivious to this: The institute took care of funding, the scientists took care of the science.

After nearly a decade of research some startling conclusions were drawn, quite contrary to the initial hypothesis. Some grants no longer applied and others did. This did not matter, as the funding was mantained by the institute.

There is an assumption among those that don't have a clue how the process works that scientists have an agenda. Some do. Some don't. In my expirience MOST don't. Saying that people are only producing research to match their funding is woefully ignorant of the accepted scientific process. Now while there are people who are paid outright to come up with "Data" such data rarely makes it into peer-reviewed journals. That last bit, the Peer-Review should be the milestone that one looks at, not where the funding came from.

I haven't met one scientist who didn't have a political agenda. It they don't when they start research, they soon develop an agenda. Self, preservation is paramount, one does not want to see oneself become useless.