Global Warming is Natural

[XDinNC]

Why are you exposing the right-wing agenda? It's supposed to be a secret!

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by slugger6

I teach a university course on Environmental Management. The two books I require the students to read are An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore and State of Fear by Michael Crichton. They are basically a point and counterpoint on global warming and other environmental issues. Crichton, a Harvard educated MD, as my students put it, "blows away" Gore's arguments. I recommend that anyone interested in this topic read both books. Once you do I would like to see you post your opinions here in this forum.

Crichton's book is really good. It's funny how a fictional novel can change you way of thinking but it has mine.

[Cryogaijin]

I would love to know where all 500 of these scientists came from. Who funded them. Wouldn't that be interesting?

I'd be willing to bet that a large % of those scientists don't know where their money comes from.

My mother used to work as a grant-writer for a major plant biology research non-profit. They did all sorts of research, from the effect of the argentinian ant invasion on native plant species, to watching a blue-green algae forming a symbiosis with sea anemonies, to tracking ocean pollution using Mangrove trees, to seeing just eactly how much carbon plants absorb, and if the would absorb more if more were provided.

The researchers came up with a hypothesis interesting to them, and applies to the institute for funding to run their expiriment. The institute weighs the merits of research, and if the research can be accomplished with their budget, they bring on the researcher.

The job of the grantwriter was to look through offered grants and apply to as many as possible that fit the criteria.

Now the carbon absorbtion research that I mentioned was funded primarily through the NSF (National science foundation) in the beginning. However the research was in an area that qualified for some oil company grants and some environmentalist grants. For a time all sides were funding the research. The researcher involved was oblivious to this: The institute took care of funding, the scientists took care of the science.

After nearly a decade of research some startling conclusions were drawn, quite contrary to the initial hypothesis. Some grants no longer applied and others did. This did not matter, as the funding was mantained by the institute.

There is an assumption among those that don't have a clue how the process works that scientists have an agenda. Some do. Some don't. In my expirience MOST don't. Saying that people are only producing research to match their funding is woefully ignorant of the accepted scientific process. Now while there are people who are paid outright to come up with "Data" such data rarely makes it into peer-reviewed journals. That last bit, the Peer-Review should be the milestone that one looks at, not where the funding came from.

[FunBobby]

Originally Posted by slugger6

I teach a university course on Environmental Management. The two books I require the students to read are An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore and State of Fear by Michael Crichton. They are basically a point and counterpoint on global warming and other environmental issues. Crichton, a Harvard educated MD, as my students put it, "blows away" Gore's arguments. I recommend that anyone interested in this topic read both books. Once you do I would like to see you post your opinions here in this forum.

I have read both books, among many others, and I find the anti-gloabal warming side to more convincing..

[telestai777]

Look at the weather records after the turn of last century. Look familiar. There is a reason weather is a cycle. In order to balance it has to always change. That is why we don't have hurricanes like we did every year. That is why El' Nino doesn't happen all the time. It is a pattern. People need to stop thinking they mean that much and can effect something that big.

[Brickboy240]

Oh now..come on...the Greens will tell you that you're being "closed-minded" by not wanting to ditch the Suburban and use wind power. They swear up and down WE can actually control the temperature of the planet.

You buying that?

- Brickboy240

[Krackels]

IIRC, volcanos and other non-manmade sources release more CO and CO2 every year than those from automobiles, factories, and other sources of man.

[retired]

tenring, There was a movie in the early 70s called "Soylent Green." It had to do with euthanizing people due to the overpopulation and global warming.

Soylent Green, was one of a few Soylent products and the most popular. It was a food substance, since "natural" food was scarce and only for the elite. It actually was made of the people euthanized.

So, if we adopt your idea, we can factor in the Soylent Green idea and make use of the people we get rid of.

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Anything you do to reduce CO2 emmisions is USELESS.

[Mark S.]

http://www.realclimate.org/