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Old 01-30-2007, 07:07 AM   #21
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Yes, I know what happened was a tragedy. However, the National Guard should have never had to be called in to diffuse a violent situation. The whole thing got out of hand due to the actions of protestors. Or as leftists like to say, "violence begets violence".
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:12 AM   #22
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Yes, I know what happened was a tragedy. However, the National Guard should have never had to be called in to diffuse a violent situation. The whole thing got out of hand due to the actions of protestors. Or as leftists like to say, "violence begets violence".
OK, I understand. And agree. Although I don't think what happened at Kent State was 100% "due to the actions of protesters". Certainly they were responsible for the most part, but I believe the National Guardsmen shared some of the responsibility as well - as they even ultimately claimed in their "official" statements of regret.

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Old 01-30-2007, 07:21 AM   #23
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Let's see, one person in a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands was disrespectful. I guess that means that 99.9% were respectful.

Let's see... No one should ever express disapproval of government policy. We should support the wars our leaders lead us into no matter what.

Am I in America or am I in some dictatorship?
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:37 AM   #24
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Let's see, one person in a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands was disrespectful. I guess that means that 99.9% were respectful.

Let's see... No one should ever express disapproval of government policy. We should support the wars our leaders lead us into no matter what.

Am I in America or am I in some dictatorship?
The mentality of what initiated this thread is based on distortions like you point out. Take an isolated incident or statement, and paint it as representative of whatever or whomever you oppose at your convenience.

What is amazing to me is how easily this kind of thinking is sold to (and embraced by) the stupid. It reminds me of the successful "Hail Mary" pass of making the last presidential election about gay marriage.

Mindless people want something easy to on which to base their beliefs. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, as long as it can make things "black and white" for them.

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Old 01-30-2007, 07:41 AM   #25
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Cool That isn't what he is saying.

He isn't saying accept everything the government does, he is saying show respect for people who have given more than just the time to put a picket sign together. This man beleived in our freedom so much that he freely made the choice to join the military and decided that he would support our goverment. Because of that decision he lost his leg. And apparently he beleives what he did was right, other wise he wouldn't be out supporting the war. It is just down right ignorant and dissrepectful for someone to spit on someone who was willing to give more for what they beleive in. The big thing is that this person lost alot for a "bad decision in going to war" but he is not bitter about it. I can't imagine losing a leg in this situation and then have people doing that stuff to me. He kept his cool alot better than I would have that is for sure. My headline would read "Soldier Kills Hippie!"
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My point was that the vast majority of people who were protesting the ill-considered policies of the current administration showed no disrespect.
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Old 01-30-2007, 10:09 AM   #27
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He isn't saying accept everything the government does, he is saying show respect for people who have given more than just the time to put a picket sign together. This man beleived in our freedom so much that he freely made the choice to join the military and decided that he would support our goverment. Because of that decision he lost his leg. And apparently he beleives what he did was right, other wise he wouldn't be out supporting the war. It is just down right ignorant and dissrepectful for someone to spit on someone who was willing to give more for what they beleive in. The big thing is that this person lost alot for a "bad decision in going to war" but he is not bitter about it. I can't imagine losing a leg in this situation and then have people doing that stuff to me. He kept his cool alot better than I would have that is for sure. My headline would read "Soldier Kills Hippie!"
Thank you for correcting Delija's distortion of why this thread was started.

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Old 01-30-2007, 10:25 AM   #28
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Let's see, one person in a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands was disrespectful. I guess that means that 99.9% were respectful.
Not quite. If you watched the video and read all the articles, you would see that a number of people spit at the disabled veteran. A large gang of them vandalized a Fox News truck and they also spray painted graffit on the steps of the CAPITOL building.

Now, with that said, I don't believe that I labeled all protesters as the same. If it wasn't clear, I am only talking about those who were disrespectful. My main point--which I outlined in the thread opener--was that it is an OUTRAGE that people would disrespect a disabled veteran this way. It is awful. The more and more I read about it, it seems that this kind of behavior is starting to spread. Mark S, you are right about one thing--the majority of the protesters were not being disrespectful. A large number of them were though, and these are the people that I am talking about.

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People in the US have the right to protest.
People in the US have the right to say what they wish.
People in the US have the right to believe what they wish to believe.

Those protesters may be juvenile, small minded, mean spirited, deluded idiots.

But that is their right.

People in the US have those rights because men like myself and my brothers in arms have protected those rights since before the US became a free nation.

And despite their hatred of us, we will continue to protect their rights. That is our duty, obligation and privilege.
People in the US have the right to protest. <--100% true..until thier protest turns to vanalizm and assault
People in the US have the right to say what they wish. <--100% true, till thier speech involved throwing bodily fluids or bottles
People in the US have the right to believe what they wish to believe. <--100% true till thier beliefs and actions infringe on my rights

Those protesters may be juvenile, small minded, mean spirited, deluded idiots.

But that is their right WRONG...its not thier RIGHT to assault anyone, its not thier RIGHT to destroy or vandalize personal property

I served the US and gave those people the right to be 110% completely WRONG...but thier rights STOP where my rights begin, spitting on someone is assault and is equivalent of them taking a swing at that troop that has the intestinal fortitude and sack to actually stand for what he believes in...

Totally disrespectful

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I'm not saying that I'd sit down and have coffee with those idiots. In fact, I'd like to give a few of them a good kick in the rear, but being stupid isn't illegal, unless as you said their stupidity infringes on my rights.

I was referring to the majority that were just being disrespectful without actually assaulting anyone.
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