Reagan

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by eleanor

Killed off the unions.

A little hyperbole eleanor?

How did Reagan do this? I still see unions everywhere pouring money into the Democrat Party.

One of Reagan's greatest accomplishments was his mostly successful fight against labor unions.






Tom

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

Yeah, Ronnie had BALLS!

Like that time in '85 when Iran and Iraq were having a war and Iran was holding seven American hostages. So Ron and the boys decided that selling them some missiles was the best way to get the hostages out plus score some brownie points with Iran, but after 1,500 missiles sold and three hostages released the Iranians got three more. Boy, was Weinberger PISSED! Maybe Reagan's thoughts on appeasement came from experience.

Dubya makes one long for guys like Ron! Even though the Democrat controlled house and senate passed an arms embargo against Iran, Ron knew better so he gave those dems a big F-U and sold them missiles anyway. Wait...sorry, he had no knowledge, it was just renegade neo-cons working for the common good.

Ignore him folks. He's from Santa Rosa, behind the pink curtain!

[einheit 13]

ya know, I like reagan.....but I like Barry Goldwater more........

"Hubert Humphrey talks so fast that listening to him is like trying to read Playboy magazine with your wife turning the pages."

"It's a great country, where anybody can grow up to be president... except me

My personal favorites......

."There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?"

"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."

[PelhamGMan]

First of all, let me state up front that you are wrong on nearly every point you make below. You have swallowed some other moron's view hook, line, and sinker.

I am not going to try to argue trickle down economics or the tax cuts with you. That has been done by far more intelligent people than you or I. For every arguement that you can show me against them, I can show one for them.

Originally Posted by cjive134

Here's the biggest myth of them all: Ronald Reagan won the "Cold War".
In reality, Reagan did nothing to bring down the Soviet Union.
By 1980, the Soviet Union was trying to cut its own defense spending. Reagan made it harder for them to do so.

Yes, indeed. Through projects like SDI, he made it impossible for the Soviet Union to keep pace with his military spending, basically daring them into an arms race they could not win. And while he was forcing them to spend more, he was also causing them to get less revenue from their oil exports because of the deal he negotiated with Saudi Arabia. Between the two, he damn near bankrupted them. They had to cry uncle!!

Originally Posted by cjive134

In fact, Reagan increased the possibility of a nuclear war because he was -- frankly, and sadly -- senile.

Categorically incorrect.

Originally Posted by cjive134

Here's the truth: we'd already won the Cold War before Reagan took office. All Reagan needed to do was continue the tried-and-true containment policies Harry S. Truman began and all subsequent presidents employed.

How can you even say that with a straight face? Containment wasn't working. Countries were falling to Communism at an alarming rate. Further, Reagan recognized that containment wasn't the answer.....elimination was.

Originally Posted by cjive134

the Soviet Union military couldn't deal with a weak state on its own border, the poor, undermanned Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was a stale mate until Reagan started a program to arm the Afghans with Stinger Missles. That took away the only advantage the Soviets had.....the air.

Originally Posted by cjive134

Most of the Soviets' military might had to make sure its "allies" in the Warsaw Pact and subjects along the South Asian front didn't revolt.

Reagan didn't recognize the Warsaw Pact simply based on the premise of detente. It wasn't working. He further help destabilize these "allies", like Poland, by supplying the resistance with money and equipment. Do a little research about how we aided the workers union in Poland and how those people recognize Reagan for those efforts.

And your drivel goes on and on and on in a partisan tirade.

Bottom line is that starting in his days a President of the Screen Actors Guild, through his Govenorship and into the White House, he recognized communism for what it was; an evil empire supressing its subjects and knew that there could be no co-existance with capitalism. He stated as early as the days if the SAG that it had to be defeated, even outlined how. And he did just that. If you are going to criticize the guy, I would expect that you might do a little more research than a page or two of some left-wing hack job. I have read all of those too. He was a genius and had the conviction to carry his plan forward, thereby defeating the soviet union.

Let me give you a little homework.

1. Tell me what percentage of the worlds nations were communist, year over year, the previous 10 years of his administration. Was detente really working?

2. Tell me the same for the years of his administration.

3. Tell me the same for the 10 years prior to his administration.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by PelhamGMan

First of all, let me state up front that you are wrong on nearly every point you make below. You have swallowed some other moron's view hook, line, and sinker.

I am not going to try to argue trickle down economics or the tax cuts with you. That has been done by far more intelligent people than you or I. For every arguement that you can show me against them, I can show one for them.




Yes, indeed. Through projects like SDI, he made it impossible for the Soviet Union to keep pace with his military spending, basically daring them into an arms race they could not win. And while he was forcing them to spend more, he was also causing them to get less revenue from their oil exports because of the deal he negotiated with Saudi Arabia. Between the two, he damn near bankrupted them. They had to cry uncle!!




Categorically incorrect.



How can you even say that with a straight face? Containment wasn't working. Countries were falling to Communism at an alarming rate. Further, Reagan recognized that containment wasn't the answer.....elimination was.



Afghanistan was a stale mate until Reagan started a program to arm the Afghans with Stinger Missles. That took away the only advantage the Soviets had.....the air.




Reagan didn't recognize the Warsaw Pact simply based on the premise of detente. It wasn't working. He further help destabilize these "allies", like Poland, by supplying the resistance with money and equipment. Do a little research about how we aided the workers union in Poland and how those people recognize Reagan for those efforts.

And your drivel goes on and on and on in a partisan tirade.

Bottom line is that starting in his days a President of the Screen Actors Guild, through his Govenorship and into the White House, he recognized communism for what it was; an evil empire supressing its subjects and knew that there could be no co-existance with capitalism. He stated as early as the days if the SAG that it had to be defeated, even outlined how. And he did just that. If you are going to criticize the guy, I would expect that you might do a little more research than a page or two of some left-wing hack job. I have read all of those too. He was a genius and had the conviction to carry his plan forward, thereby defeating the soviet union.

Let me give you a little homework.

1. Tell me what percentage of the worlds nations were communist, year over year, the previous 10 years of his administration. Was detente really working?

2. Tell me the same for the years of his administration.

3. Tell me the same for the 10 years prior to his administration.

Good post and welcome to the forums!

It is good to see some strong opinions that are backed up by facts.

That was a very good point by point refute of the post in question.

Frank

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Ignore him folks. He's from Santa Rosa, behind the pink curtain!

Ignore him, folks, he's too paranoid to admit where he lives.

And if you ignore the truth, Reagan looks pretty damn good!

[Krackels]

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

Ignore him, folks, he's too paranoid to admit where he lives.

And if you ignore the truth, Reagan looks pretty damn good!

You prefer Carter...?

[MikeA]

Originally Posted by cjive134

.....We didn't have to increase weapons spending, but Reagan didn't care. He ran away from summits with the dying old-guard Soviets, and the new-style "glasnost" leadership of Mikhail Gorbachev baffled the witless Reagan and his closed-minded extremist advisors.
Maggie Thatcher finally cajoled the Gipper into meeting Gorby, and Gorby cleaned Reagan's clock. Reagan's hard-right "handlers" nearly had to drag Reagan out of the room before he signed away our entire nuclear deterrent. Reagan -- and the planet -- was lucky Gorbachev sought genuine and stable peace. Had Yuri Andropov's health held, Reagan's "jokes" and gaffes might have caused World War III.
Eventually Reagan even gave Gorbachev his seal of approval. Visiting Moscow before the August Coup, Reagan said the Soviet Union was no longer the "Evil Empire." He predicted his friend Gorbachev would lead the Soviet Union for many years to come.
As usual, Reagan was wrong. A few months later, disgruntled military officers kidnapped Gorbachev, throwing him out of power forever. Reagan remained disengaged: nothing he did caused the coup, and nothing he did made the Soviet military support Boris Yeltsin over their superiors.
We're all fortunate things happened as they did -- but once again, Reagan did nothing to make this fluke more likely......

....need any tissues after that gorbasm....typical

mike

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

You prefer Carter...?

It depends, really. Carter enjoyed a series of blunders and missteps in his term, but lying, scandal, and circumventing the rules wasn't part of the deal. Some would call that weak leadership, but I always appreciate honesty. Even if you honestly screw up.

It just seems to be a recurring theme with Republican leadership (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush II) that they think the rules don't apply to them.