Muslim Excommunicated for speaking against terrorists

[nickb]

Originally Posted by sammi

He did make a mistake. As muslims we don't belive chrstianity and judaism stemmed from abraham as he said. muslim=submitter. We belive abraham was a submitter, not a jew or a christian. If jesus didnt hear of the word christian how did abraham...

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So he was justly kicked out of his Mosque for this slip? Even though the rest of his message appears to be spot on?

[sammi]

maybe i wasnt clear, what he said was correct except for that 1 statment i posted below. and HE WAS NOT rightly kicked out. I do not know that mosque but if they kicked him him because of that, then i smell the fragrence of the khawarij. (deviant sct)

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by sammi

[b][i][u][font='Trebuchet MS']...Excerpt taken from a speech given by Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee in Saudi Arabia

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Statement from The Permanent Council of Saudi Arabia’s Senior Scholars Condemnation of Bombings

I hope I don't come off as argumentatative, but do you feel that those statements were made in complete sincerity? I always felt that it was doublespeak (to cover their political asses so to speak), much like we see with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

[sammi]

that is a really good question. alot of people have that in their minds. the answer to this question has 2 dimentions. But first you have to know that in todays world the sad situation is that alot of muslims do not want to follow their religion. They just want to "live life to the fullest" or follow islam based on their own opinions and ignore what there religion says. They follow their vain desires. So when terrorists bomb this place or bomb that place, or glorify suicide bombings then the average muslim will not know how to respond or how to think abuot such actions. But you must know that this is not from Islaam, as ther is no proof in Islaam from the Quraan or the sunnah (prophetic statments) to justify any of these.

In islaam if sombody wants to claim somthing, he has to show proof for it, wheather it is bombing or suicide or maters relationg to fasting, prayer giveing charity ect... To a muslim in order for his deeds to be accepted it has to be in acordance to how god wants it to be done. SO knowing this these are the answers to your question below...

1- There are some muslims who speak out against terrorism in fear that their gov will clamp down on them, but in their hearts they really do support these terrorists. These are people who are not well educated in the fundamentals of islaam and really do not use any justification to prove terrorism wrong from the quran or the sunnah.

2-Then there are those who speak out against terrorism based on proofs from the Quraan and the sunnah (prophetic statments). These are few and rare people as most media outlets do not voice our opinions. THe terrorists do not know the fundamentals of their religion. The terrorists fail in this regaurd. I will post anothr post after this explaining where they get ther ideas from because it is certainly not from islaam.

So when i post statments from the Grand mufti of saudi arabia or other well known schoalrs from there, then know that this information is sound and accurate, as I myself take classes and listen to there lessons availible freely online.

Simply put, Islam is not based upon the opinions of the people. Islam is what Allah said and what the prophet (peace be upon him) said in accordance to the understanding of the prophet his dicepiles and those that follow them in righteousness untill the last day. There are only 1 group of people today that follow this path of Islaam, the rest will be judged by Allah.

The prophet peace be upon him said:
"...My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one.”

The people asked him: “And which one will that be?"

He replied: “The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon right now.”

And the schoalrs who are upon the correct form of islam have put these terrorists under one of these sects. I will post below where you can read abuot this sect.

[sammi]

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/uploads...sm-leaflet.pdf

read this and you will have a good understanding abuot terrorism

[KP Ling]

He was not "excommunicated." There is no such thing in Islam. Islam is more like Protestantism than Catholicism. There is no hierarchy which can, as an authoritative organization expel you from the religion. Just like Protestantism, a congregation or its head can forbid other congregants from returning but it is not like he is no longer a Muslim or that he can not simply go to another mosque.

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by KP Ling

He was not "excommunicated."

Yeah, I was going to say, hes not Catholic here...

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15

Yeah, I was going to say, hes not Catholic here...

I was going to originally title the topic banned but excommunicated seems more fitting and I didn't want a topic title that was a 12 words long.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by sammi

1- There are some muslims who speak out against terrorism in fear that their gov will clamp down on them, but in their hearts they really do support these terrorists. These are people who are not well educated in the fundamentals of islaam and really do not use any justification to prove terrorism wrong from the quran or the sunnah.

Okay sounds about right so far. Reminds me of Medievel Europe. The clergy had access to the word, so if they so chose they could direct the people to believe what they wanted because the laymen didn't study the texts. I would assume, from what you've said, that it seems to be the same in Islam.

2-Then there are those who speak out against terrorism based on proofs from the Quraan and the sunnah (prophetic statments). These are few and rare people as most media outlets do not voice our opinions. THe terrorists do not know the fundamentals of their religion. The terrorists fail in this regaurd. I will post anothr post after this explaining where they get ther ideas from because it is certainly not from islaam.

And again this makes complete sense. After all you can't manipulate someone into strapping a bomb onto their body and blowing themselves to kingdom come if they aren't ignorant of the teachings of their faith.

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by sammi

He did make a mistake. As Muslims we don't believe Christianity and Judaism stemmed from Abraham as he said. Muslim=submitter. We believe Abraham was a submitter, not a Jew or a Christian. If Jesus didn't hear of the word Christian how did Abraham...

Sammi,

You read and comprehend about as well as you write(I corrected your spelling and capitalization errors, by the way). The original statement said that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all stem from Abraham. This does NOT mean that Abraham was a Jew, Christian OR a Muslim. It simply means that he was the father of two sons. Ishmael, the father of the Arab Nations and Isaac, the Father of the Tribes of Israel. One group produced Islam and the other produced Judaism and eventually Christianity.

This is something that Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars all agree on. Abraham did indeed submit to God, but at that time each man worshiped God in the manner that seemed best to him and there were few common rituals. Organized religion was still in the future, so Abraham was neither a Jew or a Muslim. He was just a man who believed in God and worshiped God as he saw fit.

If you choose to believe otherwise, I highly suggest you learn more about your religion and others. You may be surprised at what you don't know.