What is the Democrat Plan for Iraq?

[bd]

So many times I have heard...."don't complain until you have a plan of your own....."

Maybe this will help some of you visually oriented people.

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were in the front seat.

They drove the Iraq car off a cliff.

Then they turned to the Dems in the back seat.

And said the Dems couldn’t complain unless they could come up with a plan of their own.

The tragedy is that there is no rational hope for a plan (any plan) that will work well. When you’ve driven the car off the cliff, your range of options is quite limited. We’re in the hands of gravity at this point.

I hope that puts this question into perspective that will be easily understood. I have tried to explain that the Democrats can't really have a plan until the Bush/Cheney trainwreck comes to a halt but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Maybe this will help.....probably not.

bd

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by bd

So many times I have heard...."don't complain until you have a plan of your own....."

Maybe this will help some of you visually oriented people.




I hope that puts this question into perspective that will be easily understood. I have tried to explain that the Democrats can't really have a plan until the Bush/Cheney trainwreck comes to a halt but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Maybe this will help.....probably not.

bd

The real Democrat plan that bd refuses to reveal:
Consult the latest New York Times poll, then decide.
If things to bad, then take another poll.
If things still go bad, call Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to come to the rescue.



Tom

[beardman2]

BD I'm disapointed. I was ready to read the plan. Again it seems like all they can do is say "anything but what bush does". Which is a great way to get ellected. but not someone I want running the show after that.

I see no reason they can't have a plan.

[jonny4523]

Couldn't they have jumped out of the car or not get in the car in the first place? Just a thought.

[bd]

Originally Posted by jonny4523

Couldn't they have jumped out of the car or not get in the car in the first place? Just a thought.

The Democrats and everyone else were lied to in order to get them into the car to begin with.

bd

[Frenchy]

With all due respect, our winning or losing in Iraq isn't the question!...It is the government of Iraq that must determine the outcome.

[bd]

Originally Posted by beardman2

BD I'm disapointed. I was ready to read the plan. Again it seems like all they can do is say "anything but what bush does". Which is a great way to get ellected. but not someone I want running the show after that.

I see no reason they can't have a plan.

Originally posted by bd
I have tried to explain that the Democrats can't really have a plan until the Bush/Cheney trainwreck comes to a halt but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

bd

[bd]

Here's some "good" news about the latest new most important original Bush/Republican plan for Iraq not counting all the other ones anymore.....

bd

The Times October 20, 2006


Bush tries to impose new terms of victory
From James Hider in Baghdad




A fresh attempt by President Bush to redefine success in Iraq was undermined within hours by the American military and Iraqi officials.

Mr Bush surprised America by admitting yesterday to growing similarities between the wars in Iraq and Vietnam. But he also emphasised that success should not be measured by the body count, but in terms of the ability of Iraqis to defend themselves, their access to healthcare and education.

“I define success or failure as whether or not the Iraqis will be able to defend themselves. I define success or failure as whether schools are being built or hospitals are being opened. I define success or failure as whether we’re seeing a democracy grow in the heart of the Middle East,” he told ABC News.

Only hours after his statement Major-General William Caldwell, spokesman for the US forces in Iraq, said that the results of a vast security operation to secure Baghdad — the key to this war — had been “disheartening”.

And there is little more heartening news from the results of the $30 billion (£16 billion) to $40 billion American reconstruction effort. Since the invasion not a single Iraqi hospital has been built, according to Amar al-Saffar, in charge of construction at the Health Ministry.

In fact, no hospital had been built since the Qaddumiya hospital opened in 1986 in Baghdad, he said. When the war started it had 20 intensive care unit beds. Now it has half that, with many patients forced to buy their own oxygen supplies on the black market.

The only significant attempt to build a hospital was a project promoted by Laura Bush, the First Lady, in Basra. She frequently praised the $50 million paediatric hospital being built in the southern city. But Mr al-Saffar said that through financial mismanagement — the bane of postwar reconstruction across the country — it had never been completed.

Another senior Health Ministry official was surprised that Mr Bush had latched on to healthcare as proof of progress in Iraq. “It is the worst situation that the Ministry of Health has been in in its entire history,” he said. Healthcare had become so dire that half of those who died of injuries from terrorist attacks might have been saved, according to Bassim al-Sheibani, of the Diwaniyah College of Medicine, writing in the British Medical Journal.

Doctors told The Times that almost everyone who was seriously wounded in the daily explosions and shootings would die for want of proper medical attention. And, according to Mr al-Saffar, the country’s medical workers were themselves in the line of fire — 120 doctors and 80 pharmacists have been murdered, and 15,000 doctors had fled abroad.

The refurbishment of schools had been seen as a more successful effort, with about 3,000 out of 18,000 renovated by American contractors and military engineers. But even there, the Education Ministry says, another 5,000 schools are needed and 80 per cent of the existing ones need repairs. Teachers and parents say that the work carried out after the war was often shoddy and superficial, sometimes no more than a paint job.

“They rebuilt my children’s primary school after the fall of the regime but it was done very badly. They only painted it,” Abu Abdullah, a father of two, said in central Baghdad, hinting that the school was defrauded by the contractors. “Me and my friends evaluated the cost of construction at about two million dinars (about £900) but the contract was for 20 million.”

Abu Abdullah has to escort his children to school every day for fear of attack or kidnapping, and he says that the quality of teaching is so poor that he and his wife give them extra classes after school.

Luna, 28, a Sunni teacher, had to leave her primary school in a Shia part of town. She is too frightened to discipline her students or hand out bad marks for fear of retribution from their families. “Our generator is always broken so we don’t have enough electricity. Students sit in hot, unlit rooms.”

COUNTING COSTS

$30-40bn spent on reconstruction

None Hospitals built since invasion

200 Doctors and pharmacists murdered

15,000 Doctors who have fled abroad

3,000 out of 18,000 schools refurbished

5,000 Extra schools needed

24,000 Pupils who have fled abroad

72 Iraqi civilian fatalities reported yesterday


US casualties

2,784 killed

71 this month

Iraqi police casualties

4,000 killed

8,000 wounded in the past two years

3,000 Iraqi policemen sacked this month

[VAXDGUY]

Originally Posted by bd

Here's some "good" news about the latest new most important original Bush/Republican plan for Iraq not counting all the other ones anymore.....

bd

Is that Clinton's fault? Carter's? BOTH?

[jdavionic]

So the republican plan is "stay the course", no matter where that direction leads. And according to bd, the democratic plan is a joke. Sounds like I need to seek a candidate with an I next to their name.