What is the Democrat Plan for Iraq?

[Bearlaker]

Or an L, jdavionic, for libertarian.
I don't think any third party has a chance though.

[hacker15]

Gee, bd - I thought the vote to authorize GWB & Co to invade Iraq was bipartisan - for you "historically impaired" folks, that means

MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES VOTED FOR IT

Now, with the "war" going south as far as the polls are concerned, the Democrats are crying "foul" and saying they never supported it/don't support it/were lied to (even though it was the exact same intelligence that caused to Clinton to act) and, the most famous quote of all, "I actually voted AGAINST the war, before I voted FOR it"......

Come on, buddy - you have no plan today, had no plan yesterday, and won't have a plan tomorrow. If the Democrats win in November, and we're still "locked" in Iraq in January, how long do you figure it will take the sheepeople of the US to figure out that it was all a sham and there never was a "plan"?

Be careful what you wish for, my liberal friend - you just might inherit the wind on this one.....

[Mark S.]

"Plan, plan? We don't need no stinkin' plan!"

Don Rumsfeld to his generals.

[jeff221]

Umm, I hate to tell you guys something, but the Republicans have run out of ideas too...

"stay the course" is not an idea... You can't say "Democrats have no idea's" unless you, yourself, have some idea.. and it's obvious, you do not...

Why would democrats tell you NOW what great ideas they have? So they can be stolen and if they work, all credit taken by G. W. Bush and his Bush Fanboys like Tommy..

Or, let's give you a plan so you can IMPROPERLY implament it so then again, you can blame Democrats for the failure....

They haven't the power to implament any plans due to the Republican hold on all branches of government right now, so why come up with something that is going to backfire on you?

[jeff221]

Originally Posted by hacker15

Gee, bd - I thought the vote to authorize GWB & Co to invade Iraq was bipartisan - for you "historically impaired" folks, that means

MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES VOTED FOR IT

Now, with the "war" going south as far as the polls are concerned, the Democrats are crying "foul" and saying they never supported it/don't support it/were lied to (even though it was the exact same intelligence that caused to Clinton to act) and, the most famous quote of all, "I actually voted AGAINST the war, before I voted FOR it"......

Come on, buddy - you have no plan today, had no plan yesterday, and won't have a plan tomorrow. If the Democrats win in November, and we're still "locked" in Iraq in January, how long do you figure it will take the sheepeople of the US to figure out that it was all a sham and there never was a "plan"?

Be careful what you wish for, my liberal friend - you just might inherit the wind on this one.....

Hold the phone pay, what those democrats voted for was COMPLETELY FALSE... They did not have all the information... Examples? Well, here's some of the things that bill they voted for included:

Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region"
Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population"
Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people"
Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War
Members of al-Qaida were "known to be in Iraq"
Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations
Fear that Iraq would provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against the United States
The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight the 9/11 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them
The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism \

Lies, Lies and more Lies... You can't use the "You voted for it" line if they weren't told the TRUTH about what they were voting on...

[goodformeto]

Originally Posted by jeff221

Why would democrats tell you NOW what great ideas they have? So they can be stolen and if they work, all credit taken by G. W. Bush and his Bush Fanboys like Tommy..

Or, let's give you a plan so you can IMPROPERLY implament it so then again, you can blame Democrats for the failure....

They haven't the power to implament any plans due to the Republican hold on all branches of government right now, so why come up with something that is going to backfire on you?

I don't care for any of the current politics, but this thinking (by the politicians, not necessarily just jeff), is why nothing gets done. Party's interests first, USA's interests second if we're lucky. I'll check the box with the L next to it this year.

[hacker15]

Originally Posted by jeff221

Hold the phone pay, what those democrats voted for was COMPLETELY FALSE... They did not have all the information... Examples? Well, here's some of the things that bill they voted for included:

Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region"
Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population"
Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people"
Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War
Members of al-Qaida were "known to be in Iraq"
Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations
Fear that Iraq would provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against the United States
The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight the 9/11 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them
The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism \

Lies, Lies and more Lies... You can't use the "You voted for it" line if they weren't told the TRUTH about what they were voting on...

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff - there's so much bull in this statement even you have to be somewhat ashamed to post it.

Per your words:

"Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region" - as acted upon by the Clinton administration and trumpeted to the world by the same administration.

"Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population" - I guess all those Kurds and southern Iraquies died of "natural causes.

"Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people" - I guess we've downgraded poison gas to a weapon of "non-mass destruction" now.

"Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War" - and, of course, this never happened....or maybe we just imagined all those radar lock-ons and missles shot at our planes.

"Fear that Iraq would provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against the United States" - of course, there were no weapons of mass ddestruction, even though the info coming from the communities indicated that there was - but it was all a Republican Plot to embroil the US in a war, which the Democrats didn't support at the time, right?

"Fear that Iraq would provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against the United States" - but in hindsight (which is always 20/20, by the way), there were no real WMDs, so the Democrats were lied to, even though the info came from the intelligance communities to Bush1, Clinton, and Bush2.....but it was all a lie and the Democrats were hoodwinked, right? And they went along with the lie by voting for the war, but they didn't mean it, honest, they were fooled by the dirty Republicans....PLEASE!!!!

"The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism" - this one I don't understand. Are you opposed or supporting this?

Jeff. The people in Washington are EXPECTED to know specific things. There were Democratic members on the same committees as the Republicans. These committees made recommendations to both houses of Congress. The members voted based on the recommendations of the committees - and with an eye to what the folks back home expected them to do. Do you REALLY think that the totality of facts were NOT AVAILABLE to all members of these committees and, by extension, to members of Congress from both parties? If the facts were untrue, the members of Congress had to know all of most of this. ALL THE APPROPRIATE MEMBERS - from BOTH PARTIES. If you believe that this is not the way things are done in Washington, you need to pull the glasses off and take a long hard look at both parties and how they pander to the public.

Just my thoughts, guy - and I don't like GWB any more than you do.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by hacker15

Gee, bd - I thought the vote to authorize GWB & Co to invade Iraq was bipartisan - for you "historically impaired" folks, that means

MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES VOTED FOR IT

...

That is wrong. Both parties voted to give the president the authority to use force if absolutey justified in the defense of our country. They did not vote for him to use force at will, or more specifically to invade Iraq.

If you have been issued a CCW permit, you have been given the right to use deadly force if your life is in immediate danger. Or if you can prevent the taking of an innocent life by a criminal. This right does not mean you get to shoot down someone who once threatened your daddy. Or who has something you want, no matter how bad a person that guy may be.

Maybe you should study the history of who voted for what in that resolution.

Peace,
D.

[VAXDGUY]

Originally Posted by Delija

That is wrong. Both parties voted to give the president the authority to use force if absolutey justified in the defense of our country. They did not vote for him to use force at will, or more specifically to invade Iraq.

If you have been issued a CCW permit, you have been given the right to use deadly force if your life is in immediate danger. Or if you can prevent the taking of an innocent life by a criminal. This right does not mean you get to shoot down someone who once threatened your daddy. Or who has something you want, no matter how bad a person that guy may be.

Maybe you should study the history of who voted for what in that resolution.

Peace,
D.

Also, remember how people were painted who were talking against voting for it: "UnAmerican" "Al Queda sympathizer" "soft on terror" and more.

[Kimura]

Well, Ted Kennedy knows a thing about driving cars off of cliffs too. . . maybe the dems should ask him