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After Pat's Birthday
From a soldier about a soldier.
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A salute to Kevin...good post bd.
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What would he preffer the five year old do instead draw him something? Honestly that is sickening to read. Isn't that exactly what his brother tried to prepare him for?
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Somehow brother Kevin used his brother's death to further his own political cause
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I decided not to be that harsh although that was my first impression as well.
He is allowed to be jaded as he has been there. I haven't. But he seems to call into question just about every aspect of America. Makes you wonder why he joined in the first place.
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Back in late 2001, in 2002 and even in early 2003, they did what I would have done had I been in my 20s. They went to fight those we believed (because we were told) were our enemies. On 9/11, MY home was attacked. MY city. MY country. Two buildings I even worked in at one time were destroyed. People I knew, some of them friends, were murdered. I was angered, and would have gone to fight that enemy if I were permitted at my age. The effort in Afganistan was a just effort IMO. That is why Pat Tillman and his brother went. Why Pat chose to forego a multi-million dollar a year football contract. Time passed, and we found out we were lied to. We were manipulated by fear. We had one mission diverted into another, then another, and still another and then again, another.....endlessly. As of today, we are fighting a civil war in a country we had no reason to invade in the first place. Our efforts to "free" the Iraqi people has resulted in over 100,000 of their deaths. We went in to "give them" an American style democracy, and now we have given our blessing to their new constitution....one that establishes another Arab Islamic theocracy. This is what we are now fighting to preserve. This is what over 2000 American troops have died to secure. And still, we have no plan in place to end our involvement. Train an Iraqi army? We train an American army in far less time than we have been in control in Iraq. We do it every 10 weeks or so. We have spent our childrens and our grandchildrens tax money to fight this needless war. Our federal deficit is today greater than all previous deficits added together. Our civil liberties have been curtailed like never before in our history. I can only hope we will someday regain what was taken from us in our time of fear. Our stature in the world community has shrunk to an all time low. I know I will hear "who cares what anyone thinks of us?", but I will hear that only from those who don't know what it is like to travel outside the USA these days and what it had always been like until three years ago or so. I know what it is like to fight in another country's war. I know what it is like to be injured in another country's war. I know what it is like to have a son in the military today and see his pay and his benefits cut by this administration and our "War President" who did not serve in his (and my) generation's war. Along with virtually all of his cabinet including his Vice President. The one qualified military person in this administration (Powell) is long gone and now a critic of the Bush administration. Along with men such as Richard Clarke. I know what it is to be lied to. We all should. We all listened to the campaigning for the presidency in 2004. We all lived through the "orange alerts" and the chest thumping. We all heard about how UBL was "wanted dead or alive" until he was someone the president told us he "doesn't think about". We know who is fighting this war. The same people who always do. But never before has the hypocrisy been so blatant. Never before have we rejected a man who did serve in favor of a man who couldn't even fulfil his National Guard obligation while the Vietnam War was going on. Never before would America stand by and stand for a campaign to smear a war hero initiated by those who backed an opponent who went AWOL. If Iraq has more "freedom" today than it did under Saddam (I don't know if that is true), is it worth giving up our own freedoms to achieve that? Does it bother no one that we armed and financed the Taliban and then lost Pat Tillman to "friendly fire" in our war with them only to see them creeping back into power in Afghanistan? Does it bother no one that we armed and financed Saddam as well when it convenience us while he was fighting Iran? Does it bother no one that Iran became our enemy because we forced the Shah down the throats of the Iranian people and back into power from his exile when they didn't want him? Did we learn nothing from that? Beardman, I know you are a good guy. I also know you are a much younger guy than I am. It is good you "wonder" about things. It would be better if you studied more history and didn't need to "wonder" so much. People do things and believe things because of history. As the saying goes, learn from history or be doomed to repeat it. I only hope what is going on now is never forgotten so it will never need to happen again. I hope the future is spared another administration that lies and takes no responsibility for its failures as this one seems to. Everything that goes wrong is anyone's fault but those in charge. Seems like the die-hard supporters of this administration have the same "blame game" mentality. Something's wrong? Anything at all? Blame Clinton! Peace, D.
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+1, D. Very cogent message.
However, the only reference I've been able to find to the letter is on that above-linked web site whose objectivity is, ahh, quite suspect. I've submitted it to Snopes for perusal. |
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