Stay the Course

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by lodraw

I did. No. Iraq as a whole is doing much better since it was liberated from Saddam. Baghdad is in bad shape. Much of it's condition was never anticipated. Thats our bad, no question. This enemy of Iraq is using the cracks and crevices of a city. They blow themselves and innocence apart
because of the changing conditions of Iraq. We don't disagree much here. Were just observing this threw different lenses.

Ok, I was beginning to think for a second there that you meant freed, as in, not subject to violence etc.

Did we free them from Saddam? Yes. Did we free them from the conditions under Saddam? IMO, no, we didnt.

[VaGunNut]

The most important thing is that you continue in your jihad in Iraq, and that you be patient and forbearing, even in weakness, and even with fewer operations; even if each day had half of the number of current daily operations, that is not a problem, or even less than that.

Even though we are losing keep hanging in there even if we keep losing.

So, do not be hasty. The most important thing is that the jihad continues with steadfastness and firm rooting, and that it grows in terms of supporters, strength, clarity of justification, and visible proof each day.

Don't give up because then all will be lost. Our enemies are getting tired of this war just like they did Vietnam. Support for it will deminish and we will win! Americans do not have the resolve we do; and that is why we can win.

Indeed, prolonging the war is in our interest, with God’s permission.

Please try to hold out because the only way we can win anything is by outlasting those weak resolved Americans.

Playing into their hands by "Staying the coarse"; I don't think so. Their own words should tell you they know the only way for them to win is for America to "cut and run".

[jeff221]

Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15

No, it was originally to go in and get Saddam out, because he had ties to AQ, and harbored terrorists

I guess if one lie gets busted, might as well cover it up with another lie, right?

Factually Wrong.

Orginal plan was to find & destroy Weapons of Mass Destuctions... FAILED! No WMDs.

Next Plan was to bring Saddam to Justice FAILED! Still on Trial..

Next Plan was to bring Democracy to IRaq.. FAILED, they adopted the islam law over the Iraqi constatution...

Next plan was to stop the terrorists... FAILED! Terrorism is WORSE now that we are in iraq...

Next plan is to prevent Civil War.... This too, I'm afriad, is certain to fail...

What's next?

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by jeff221

Factually Wrong.

Orginal plan was to find & destroy Weapons of Mass Destuctions... FAILED! No WMDs.

Next Plan was to bring Saddam to Justice FAILED! Still on Trial..

Next Plan was to bring Democracy to IRaq.. FAILED, they adopted the islam law over the Iraqi constatution...

Next plan was to stop the terrorists... FAILED! Terrorism is WORSE now that we are in iraq...

Next plan is to prevent Civil War.... This too, I'm afriad, is certain to fail...

What's next?

Extremely and factually wrong again Jeff.




Tom

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by VaGunNut

Even though we are losing keep hanging in there even if we keep losing.


Don't give up because then all will be lost. Our enemies are getting tired of this war just like they did Vietnam. Support for it will deminish and we will win! Americans do not have the resolve we do; and that is why we can win.

Please try to hold out because the only way we can win anything is by outlasting those weak resolved Americans.

Playing into their hands by "Staying the coarse"; I don't think so. Their own words should tell you they know the only way for them to win is for America to "cut and run".

That is the way I read it as well.

[jeff221]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Extremely and factually wrong again Jeff.




Tom

Correct me....

[Dustoff '68]

Originally Posted by jeff221

Correct me....

....you hit the proverbial nail on the head.....I know.....I've been their.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by jeff221

Factually Wrong.

Orginal plan was to find & destroy Weapons of Mass Destuctions... FAILED! No WMDs.

Next Plan was to bring Saddam to Justice FAILED! Still on Trial..

Next Plan was to bring Democracy to IRaq.. FAILED, they adopted the islam law over the Iraqi constatution...

Next plan was to stop the terrorists... FAILED! Terrorism is WORSE now that we are in iraq...

Next plan is to prevent Civil War.... This too, I'm afriad, is certain to fail...

What's next?

ok I'll correct you.

1. We found WMD. Not as much as we expected.

2. How can you say Saddam wasn't brought to justice when he is on Trial. Does Justice stop at some amount of Trial time?

3. We failed to bring democracy to Iraq? I guess all those votes were just for fun. Remember Iraqi Democracy will not by like the U.S.

4. I don't think you can say we've failed to stop terrorist as we are still fighting. If we give up and pull out I'll also say we failed.

5. Your right we don't know if their will be a civil war.

[jeff221]

Originally Posted by beardman2

ok I'll correct you.

1. We found WMD. Not as much as we expected.

2. How can you say Saddam wasn't brought to justice when he is on Trial. Does Justice stop at some amount of Trial time?

3. We failed to bring democracy to Iraq? I guess all those votes were just for fun. Remember Iraqi Democracy will not by like the U.S.

4. I don't think you can say we've failed to stop terrorist as we are still fighting. If we give up and pull out I'll also say we failed.

5. Your right we don't know if their will be a civil war.

1) Bull****, the "500 munitions" were garbage left overs, not WMD's. THey weren't good for anything serious.

2) Justice will be served when he's convicted and sentenced, thus it has let to be done..

3) That's funny, I keep hearing our president say we are "fighting for democracy in Iraq" in his speeches.. if they have it, it's time to go.

4) NIE says we are less safe and that the terrorist threat is HIGHER due to Iraq.

5) They are currently in a cival war, I just heard today that they had morgues and hospitals taken over and killed all the suni's there.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by jeff221

1) Bull****, the "500 munitions" were garbage left overs, not WMD's. THey weren't good for anything serious.

2) Justice will be served when he's convicted and sentenced, thus it has let to be done..

3) That's funny, I keep hearing our president say we are "fighting for democracy in Iraq" in his speeches.. if they have it, it's time to go.

4) NIE says we are less safe and that the terrorist threat is HIGHER due to Iraq.

5) They are currently in a cival war, I just heard today that they had morgues and hospitals taken over and killed all the suni's there.

1. Oh ok so they were WMD just not good enough WMDs. They were WMD that would make good playground equipment for example?

2. So do you assume every job that is in the works is failed?

3. How long did it take for their to be stability in our own country? A hell of a long time after we got democracy.

4. Can I borrow your copy of the NIE? Oh thats right its a classified document which parts were leaked for political reasons. On another note even if it were true you suggest running as soon as the other side gets the ball?

5. That remains to be seen. I don't think you can call it a civil war. Yes there is a lot of violence and if it doesn't stop it is leading in that direction but it isn't there yet.