Deaths in Iraq Eqaul 9/11 Death Tolls...

[TwoValveKid]

Its just how i see it you "think" i have a "warped" value system.(Thats kind of a broad generalization dont you think?) But how do you know its me who is biased? You have no idea what my political view is.

[rupert]

Originally Posted by TwoValveKid

No offense to anyone in the armed services...but that is a drop in the bucket death toll-wise when it comes to wars/occupations.

Yes it's sad to have lost that many, but how many people died under Johnson's arms? How about eisenhower's? Roosevelt? Wilson? Nixon? Sorry, i don't think it can even compare to the "death tolls" you bring up. If you going to criticise GW for an "outrageous" death toll, then be willing to criticise everyone else.

And fix your sig. It just makes youself look bad when your trying to make a point when there are spelling/grammatical errors in it.

Under your understanding, WWII wasnt worth it because we lost 300,xxx people in the war itself compared to the Pearl Harbor number of 2117? How about WWI? That also wasnt worth it under your convention. 128 people were killed by a U-boat, we lost 116,xxx there. Wow...thats outrageous considering our entry was sparked by the deaths of 128 people!

wars dont cost as many lives as they used too.......its just the way it is...... and 3000 lives is a hell of alot especially when i knew over 20 of them

[rupert]

Originally Posted by gsh341

I'm just going to toss my 2 cents in.

It is a sad thing to lose so many in a war that has the nation so divided.

However, I do believe that the war is worth fighting and that to pull our troops out now and leave before the country is stable, ready to defend itself and willing to combat terrorism would be a huge mistake.

I also feel that it would make the lives lost meaningless. What could be worse than dying or losing a loved one for a cause? Having that cause pulled out from under you.

Just my humble opinion.

i honestly used to feel the same way you do.............i really truthfully did......but ive grown to hate the iraqi people so much that i dont give a **** if they all kill each other.............they are so un ****ing grateful....... it wasent 6 months after they were giving me flowers....feeding me.....trying to give their daughters to me.....that they were trying to kill me............. **** IRAQ we gave them there chance at freedom and they pissed it away

[jednp]

Originally Posted by jeff221

Iraq is not World War I and CERTAINLY not World War II... The compairson to the two is a slap in the face to all those who died in those wars. Iraq didn't attack us, nor did they have the ability too, nor did they have any plans too, nor did we have any reason to attack them... That's why it's different. This isn't Pearl Harbor or a U-Boat.... It was a pre-emptive attack on a country which was NOT a risk to us...

My signature? That's all you have? I'll consider that a win for this discussion.....

And if I bring up something I said in this post, Don't worry I'll just go edit it later so it makes a different point then my orginal point and claim it was always there....

Germany didn't attack us either, but we lost thousands on d-day alone defending freedom of others.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by rupert

wars dont cost as many lives as they used too.......its just the way it is...... and 3000 lives is a hell of alot especially when i knew over 20 of them

I'm sorry to hear that. I've only known one and in a very general way. It is truly a loss to all Americans.

thank you for your service.

[jeff221]

Originally Posted by jednp

Germany didn't attack us either, but we lost thousands on d-day alone defending freedom of others.

Correct: Germany didn't attack us... And if in fact Germany wasn't attacking anyone (as Iraq wasn't attacking anyone) then I would have been against D-Day too...

But, Germany WAS attacking countries. Therefore, as I've stated before, it's completely different than Iraq.. Iraq didn't attack anyone... Iraq WASN'T GOING to attack anyone... Iraq was properly contained and was under control... It's NOT World War I or II and has NOTHING to do with it.

On another note, let me clear something up. I'm not happy 3,000 soldiers are dead. Therefore, i'm not "celebrating" anything. I'm very sad and disappointed that 3,000 soldiers are dead, and as such I am just attempting to look at the numbers and how it adds up.

F*CK OFF if you think I'm happy that these people (and the 9/11 victims) have died. YOU PEOPLE (Right-Winged Republicans)are the CAUSE of there death and your support for this continued bull**** in Iraq. Don't blame me, it's YOUR FAULTthey are dead because you refuse to question your leaders for a reason WHY they died... Send your kids off to get blown to **** for this "crusade" against muslims... Use your hatred for something other than getting our soldiers killed...

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by jeff221

YOU PEOPLE (Right-Winged Republicans)are the CAUSE of there death and your support for this continued bull**** in Iraq. Don't blame me, it's YOUR FAULTthey are dead because you refuse to question your leaders for a reason WHY they died... Send your kids off to get blown to **** for this "crusade" against muslims... Use your hatred for something other than getting our soldiers killed...

I love intellectual rebuttals . Please don't let an attempt at making a factual rebuttal interfere with your hatred of Bush and republicans. Carry on.

You know that you are doing more harm against your cause, right?

Let's look at 9/11. So you're saying the republicans are responsible for their (note correct spelling here) lives. The last I knew, Bin Laden was the man behind their deaths. If you want to state that republicans are solely responsible for not preventing the attacks, then make the argument. The facts don't support it. Even the biased 9/11 report didn't reach that conclusion.

Let's look at Iraq. Republicans are solely responsible for every soldier's death, right? The last I knew, both parties supported the Iraq war. We went to war, based on the statements at the time, because Iraq had WMDs and violated the UN sanctions & mandates. We have since found WMDs and it's clear that he did violate the sanctions, partly because of the corruption of the UN itself. Some argue that the WMDs found aren't the "right" ones. I personally found that argument to be without any merit. They are exactly the WMDs that he was told to destroy.

At this point, I'm sure you're thinking that I'm probably just another Bushbot supporter. Sorry to disappoint you there too. Yes, I voted for him - twice. But I am very disappointed in some of things that he's done - immigration reform (or the complete lack thereof), changing the goal of the Iraq War...what! Yes, you read it correctly.

I support our troops 100%. But I think Bush has created a mess by changing the mission. We did not go to war to build a democracy in the middle east. So why is that the goal now? To me, it's incredibly naive & ignorant to think that this is the desire of all people in the middle east. When will we learn, these people hate our way of life and want nothing to do with it. So now, he's got our troops in harms way with a goal that has been set that is ridiculous. Yet the enemy has a set a simple goal - hang in there until the American will to stay erodes & we (the terrorists) win. Which goal seems easier & more likely to achieve? We're now in a spot where we have essentially boxed ourselves into the corner of staying or it will be deemed a loss for this country & a victory for the enemy, which will inevitably embolden our enemy & weaken us.

So there you have it. You can either continue with ridiculous, baseless remarks like the one you made. Or you can take the time to educate yourself & develop your own informed opinion. If you want to further your cause (whatever it may be), you make a better stance when you avoid making statements like those that I quoted above.

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by jeff221

I've given up on the right wingers... If you don't support the war then you hate america and hate the soldiers... Simple minds have simple responses...

Democrat supporters like you, and other Bush-haters CELEBRATE the death of American troops for political reasons. Pure and simple.




Tom

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Democrat supporters like you, and other Bush-haters CELEBRATE the death of American troops for political reasons. Pure and simple.

Tom

Now look what you've done. Just like my earlier reply - now, I won't get a response due to your sharp stick in his eye.

[Fender_bender]

[quote=jeff221]
But, Germany WAS attacking countries. Therefore, as I've stated before, it's completely different than Iraq.. Iraq didn't attack anyone... Iraq WASN'T GOING to attack anyone... Iraq was properly contained and was under control...

In a way you are right. They just attacked their own people with chemical weapons. Saddam had people put into torture chambers, had people killed everyday. If the Iraqi people hated us then why would they join the army, vote in elections where they WILL be a target? One thing you don't hear about is that the people doing these bomb attacks are not all Iraqi. They come from all over the Middle east to Iraq. One of my church mates came back from Iraq and he showed me picture of the Iraqi people celebrating as the troops were walking by. Whether or not you think we should be in Iraq, It is too late, we are there. We can't just pull out now! If we leave we will look weak and that will build moral of the terrorists. I really don't understand why people think that if we leave that terrorists will just go away. I believe what we are doing in Iraq is the right thing. America goes to "war" with countries all the time to help the people of that country. Every President has done it. Anyway, I'm done now, but I would to thank every American soldier that has VOLUNTEERED to serve our great country. I have the most respect for you and you are true Heroes. May God bless America and the Troops and be with us through this fight with people who want to destroy us and our way of life, Amen.