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**hacker15** · 09-22-2006, 08:19 AM

Not sure when this was written, but found it very interesting. LONG, but (for me at least) worth the read. You may/may not agree. It's up to you.

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia", explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal, was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States.

He said, "It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'”.

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America: turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: ‘The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.’ Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans".

Lamm went on:

"Second, to destroy America: Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.”

"Third, We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.”

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology'. I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.".

"My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Macedon , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" --From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, serving established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology', I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed.

Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book “Mexifornia”. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.

Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbarian cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states – to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast.

It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building:

"War is peace", "Freedom is slavery", and "Ignorance is strength".

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast.

If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

boater1217 · 09-22-2006, 08:29 AM

Interesting and needs to be said but of course he will be deemed a bigot, racist, etc.

Brickboy240 · 09-22-2006, 08:57 AM

Wow, thats almost like the stem-winder Texas Congressman Ted Poe gave on the house floor about a month ago. The press was all up in arms because Poe called the illegal situation an "invasion" that seemed to get them all riled up and some in the press called Ted Poe a bigot. Amazing.

Have you read Tom Tancredo's latest book? I am about half way through it and this man makes alot of sense. Probably why he is practically blacklisted in the Senate and holds no big committe posts (like Ted Poe and Ron Paul).

- Brickboy240

amishclark · 09-22-2006, 09:06 AM

as a liberal-thinking, bush-hating, leftist...i'd have to agree with everything the guy says...

**hacker15** · 09-22-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by amishclark

as a liberal-thinking, bush-hating, leftist...i'd have to agree with everything to guy says...

Thanks, Jeff - for a few weeks there, I was sure you were coming to us from somewhere in the sand box, wearing a dish towel wrapped around your head!

amishclark · 09-22-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hacker15

Thanks, Jeff - for a few weeks there, I was sure you were coming to us from somewhere in the sand box, wearing a dish towel wrapped around your head!

who's jeff? i'm clark...

**hacker15** · 09-22-2006, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amishclark

who's jeff? i'm clark...

Sorry - got you confused with someone else....but thanks, anyway!

DoctorDawg · 09-22-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hacker15

History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

There's a fair amount I can agree with in this article, but what I've quoted above ain't part of it. I reckon Lamm has never been to Switzerland...it's trilingual, and has been for hundreds of years. Of course, we all know the Swiss have long since decended into chaos...all them drive-by chocolatings!

**hacker15** · 09-22-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorDawg

There's a fair amount I can agree with in this article, but what I've quoted above ain't part of it. I reckon Lamm has never been to Switzerland...it's trilingual, and has been for hundreds of years. Of course, we all know the Swiss have long since decended into chaos...all them drive-by chocolatings!

Sorry, Doc. That dog don't hunt.

This from http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_e...ur/langua.html.

"There are four national languages in Switzerland: German, French, Italian and Romansh. In principle, all four languages have equal rights. In practice, however, things sometimes are different since the smaller groups, although geographically fairly homogeneous, more often than not have to assert their political and economic influence. Switzerland's religious and linguistic borders do not coincide, and the country also has strong cultural links with the neighboring countries (Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, France, and Italy). These relationships are somewhat ambivalent since they vary historically between a strong leaning towards a neighboring culture and a rejection of it because it might pose a threat to Swiss identity. The Federal Constitution (Art. 70 of the new Constitution) stipulates that German, French, and Italian are Switzerland's official languages, whereas Romansh is an official language for communicating with Romansh-speaking persons. German, French and Italian enjoy equal status in Parliament, the federal administration and the army. The most recent census produced the following picture of how the languages are distributed: (Swiss)German 63.9%, French 19.5%, Italian 6.6%, Romansh 0.5%, others 9.5%. Schools play a key role in bringing the languages closer together, since cantonal school regulations require that every child learn a second national language starting in primary school. English is increasingly taught at an early age, sometimes taking priority over a second national language."

Please note the phrase, "These relationships are somewhat ambivalent since they vary historically between a strong leaning towards a neighboring culture and a rejection of it because it might pose a threat to Swiss identity."

The simple fact is, there is a strong NATIONAL IDENTITY in Switzerland. This makes them the exception that proves the rule.

The same cannot be said for illegals who insist on keeping their language, culture, and former national identy once they've crossed over into the US. They have a strong NATIONAL IDENTITY. Unfortunetly, it's not based in the US.

They actively resist assimilation into the culture of this country, they reject our language, customs, mores, and everything else about us.

Bigtime · 09-22-2006, 03:35 PM

09-22-2006, 08:19 AM	#1
hacker15 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 3,378	Very Serious Stuff - LONG Not sure when this was written, but found it very interesting. LONG, but (for me at least) worth the read. You may/may not agree. It's up to you. We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia", explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal, was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream. Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'”. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America: turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: ‘The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.’ Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans". Lamm went on: "Second, to destroy America: Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.” "Third, We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities." "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.” "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology'. I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.". "My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Macedon , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" --From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo." "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, serving established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology', I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them." In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book “Mexifornia”. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book." There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbarian cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states – to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace", "Freedom is slavery", and "Ignorance is strength". Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream. __________________ If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain

09-22-2006, 08:29 AM	#2
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09-22-2006, 08:57 AM	#3
Brickboy240 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 8,988	Wow, thats almost like the stem-winder Texas Congressman Ted Poe gave on the house floor about a month ago. The press was all up in arms because Poe called the illegal situation an "invasion" that seemed to get them all riled up and some in the press called Ted Poe a bigot. Amazing. Have you read Tom Tancredo's latest book? I am about half way through it and this man makes alot of sense. Probably why he is practically blacklisted in the Senate and holds no big committe posts (like Ted Poe and Ron Paul). - Brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

09-22-2006, 09:06 AM	#4
amishclark XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: pennsyltucky Posts: 1,508	as a liberal-thinking, bush-hating, leftist...i'd have to agree with everything the guy says... __________________ some say "cheese" and i'm picturing something lovely. others say "cheese" and i'm thinking government subsidy. i am the grammar police. all your bad grammars are belong to me! Last edited by amishclark : 09-22-2006 at 10:16 AM.

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