In The United States, There Is No Such Thing As An Illegal Gun.

[manic mechanic]

Great read on some close to home issues.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/09/15/...n-illegal-gun/

[beardman2]

its refreshing to read. I'm sure it won't get any attention.

[thomye]

i read a very bias statistic on gun crime in the US a little while back. it bascially said that the US has the highest death rate by gun, 3.9% (this number was any death by gun, BG, Good Guys, Cops killing BG, etc.. mind you, this then also included me killing an intruder who threatened my family). The second highest percentage was .69% if I remember correctly and it was some country in Estern Europe, i think. WOW, what a difference right? KEEP READING

The person who gave this to me bought into it hook, line, and sinker. By the way, it showed japan with .02% of their population died by guns. This got me thinking so i did my own statistic. I didn't care about all gun related deaths, i only cared about homicides. why count the death of an intruder by a homeowner, in my opinion, he was justified. At any rate, i also thought these numbers didnt' make any sense because serveral countries dont' allow any guns (UK, Japan, etc) and they actually sweep their nation for weapons and have much better gun control, even if you are a BG, it's hard to get a gun. So, I asked a more realistic question, what is the homicide rate of all countires around the world whether it was done by gun, knife, car, poison, etc.

Ready for the shocker, almost every country's homicide (murder and nothing else) rate was around .0066%. i think the US was around 18K out of 272mil a year (this is murder only). It also turned out that japan was right up there with us. most of there murders was done with knives (oh, some of them were far more brutal to). they too were .00652% and so was the UK. Almost all countries around the world was somewhere between .005 and .007 percent. it was very wierd to see these numbers so similar. Please excuse the math since it's been a while but the point is that we weren't 3.9% and japan wasn't .02%.

So, i've concluded that their is a basic number of sick people willing to kill. Guns are just the weapon of choice in the US. while in other countries like japan, it's knives, swordes, poison, whatever. Same goes for the UK. This first pass statitic reinforces the idea that guns dont kill people much like knives dont' kill people, people kill people. they'll do it with a hammer if they had to.

I think it's funny how anti gun folks will use a comparison as stupid as US vs Japan. apples and oranges. apperantly, not having guns didn't fix anything there. In my opinion, its far more savage to kill with a knife. I could shoot someone but i'm not too sure i could stab and slice someone. to much work, too much blood, too damn gross.

I'll dig up the numbers since i did this back in 2004. I'll try and post the spreadsheet comparison.

One last point, typically, people die when you use a gun probably more often than not. Think about how many stabbings don't result in death. those numbers aren't reflected. if you are having a hard time reading between the lines, my point is that assault is higher in these countries than the US. They probably have far more failed homicide attempts than we do.

[Krackels]

Great article. I think this is a must read for everyone on this board. Heck everyone in general.

[PackerfanXD]

...that tying the hands of only those who will obey a law will only tether the lamb for the wolf...

Pure wisdom.

[beardman2]

thomye: Please do. That is amazing info. I'd love to check into it some more.

[Wu Wei]

Good read. I think it should be mandatory in Civics class, if that still exists. I like this quote from right above Packerfan's quote.

The Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort, Jeri Bonavia complains that anti-gun-trafficking measures are going to be quashed. She reportedly turned in in her release, The crime trace data is absolutely essential for law enforcement agencies working to stop illegal trafficking. They use the data to find out where illegal guns are coming from and to break up those illegal channels.

Begging your pardon, Ms. Bonavia, but guns were not even deemed to be illegal in this country until two generations ago, and little by little since then, innocent persons have been disarmed and crime has grown in so-called gun-free zones – such as California, Chicago, New York, Washington, D.C. perhaps even Milwaukee.

A local politician in Milwaukee was just ripped for calling Milwaukee "The next murder capitol of the U.S.". Crime here in Madison rose 76% so far this year! Boy can my local experience back up the author! I am a sheepdog, and my hands are legally tied. I think the law should serve the citizens, not that the citizens should serve the law. I wish I could remember that quote about when laws cease to be just the citizens have no obligation to serve the law.

[DoctorDawg]

C'mon, guys. I'm as much a supporter of 2nd amendment rights as anybody here, but to call this a 'great article' is mighty dang generous. Confused, rambling, shoddy logic, dreadful writing, frequently incomprehensible...oy veh, this article is an embarrassment! I particularly cringe at his use of the term "the anti-violence movement" to refer to gun-control advocates. Does that make us the 'pro-violence movement'? Not a philosophical position I, for one, would care to take.

If Longenecker is the best advocate we can put forward, we're in deep doo-doo. The term "drooling idiot" comes to mind....

[Wu Wei]

I admit I skimmed the article. Ya got meh.

[beardman2]

Yeah I'll admit I skimmed as well since its a beliefe I already hold.