In defence of my honor.

[beardman2]

in a recent thread that was closed I found this lovely little post:

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

He attacks everybody it's only natural everybody would want to attack him back. beardman2 do not join the military. When the enemy attacks and you take the enemy's side that will be considered an act of treason. Stay home safe in your living room. I'm done with you.

First of all I never defended Tom. Tom can deal with his own problems. My comments was addressed to those who are ok doing something they feel is wrong as long as no one does it back.

As to part two of your responce... who the **** are you to call me a traitor? Question my honor!? Have I done anything but side with our country and our troops? Have I once, sir, done anything to make you question which side I was on?

I have had many a dissagreements with people on this site. You sir win the award for the dirtiest attack I've seen to date.

You noticed I have not attacked you in responce. However if you think I'm simply going to ingore a comment like that you are mistaken.

As I have done on here before I will not question your service and will thank you for it.

P.S. Mods feel free to lock this and ban me. I couldn't let it go without a responce. I will understand.

[NewXD40fun]

Remember the warning I gave you? I saw it coming when you questioned their lockstep, Bush-hating ideology. It was only a matter of time before they would chastise you for thinking for yourself.

Thanks for standing up to them; it was a pleasure reading your stuff.



Tom

[jdavionic]

I read some of the posts and I must say that attacking a person for not being in the military at one time is ridiculous. To imply that your opinion is worthless because you have not served in uniform is to fail to acknowledge why our men & woman do wear the uniform.

Now with that said, I'll provide you with a sideliner's observation. While OEFM can defend himself, I think the part that touched his nerve is that at one point you made an assertion that the activities at home would affect you (and therefore others) overseas in uniform. You were speculating and making an uninformed judgement. I won't get into the details - but I will say that soldiers overseas making miraculous sacrifices and they don't do so because of the current opinion of Joe Public back home. There's a comradery that is developed, intentionally, and these sacrifices that are made day in, day out are done so for each other.

And again with that said, this doesn't mean that you are not entitled to form an opinion & express it on how you think soldiers would react to news from home. You certainly are and that's one of the things that makes this country great. However in this case, you may find that your opinion is not well received.

Personally I think that OEFM eluded to the same points that I made - but he let emotions get the best of him. I wish I could say that never happens to me - but I doubt that would hold true for 1 day.

[Old School]

The Political section has evolved into a Battle Zone of Bickering and not an exchange of ideas. If you defend your beliefs, be prepared for someone to battle you on it, since their beliefs differ from theirs.

I have said it before, you won't change minds in the Political section. All you can do is stand up for what YOU think is right. Everyone who posts on XDTalk, regardless of the section, is judged by what they write.

Beyond that, Tom has a point when it comes to this. If the economy was 100%, all Americans had a job, Bin Laden's head was on a stick, Israel and Palestine agreed on peace and Iran and North Korea stopped with the nukes, some people would still hate Bush and this Administration and find a flaw. This example holds true regardless of who the President is. People just hate the other team-period.

OS

[jdavionic]

I don't know OS - perhaps I'm unique. If someone makes a good point in the political forum, I'll do some digging into the supporting facts and am receptive to changing my position on the respective issue. To me, intelligent people should be open to learning from others. True, there are some that are horribly negative & biased. But there are some that benefit from hearing the diverse opinions in that forum. Many times I will just sit back & read & learn. And many times, I won't change my opinion but I will gain a better understanding of those that disagree with me and where they're coming from - e.g., the drug legalization post that I did some time ago.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

I don't know OS - perhaps I'm unique. If someone makes a good point in the political forum, I'll do some digging into the supporting facts and am receptive to changing my position on the respective issue. To me, intelligent people should be open to learning from others. True, there are some that are horribly negative & biased. But there are some that benefit from hearing the diverse opinions in that forum. Many times I will just sit back & read & learn. And many times, I won't change my opinion but I will gain a better understanding of those that disagree with me and where they're coming from - e.g., the drug legalization post that I did some time ago.

If someone is able to grow from a post, that would be great. Much of what I read in the Political section is a battle of ideologies and cut & paste tactics. Nothing new, just stuff brought over from another site or blog.

[bd]

Originally Posted by Old School

Beyond that, Tom has a point when it comes to this. If the economy was 100%, all Americans had a job, Bin Laden's head was on a stick, Israel and Palestine agreed on peace and Iran and North Korea stopped with the nukes, some people would still hate Bush and this Administration and find a flaw. This example holds true regardless of who the President is. People just hate the other team-period.

OS

If all the things you said were in fact true I still wouldn't look the other way when it comes to the unethical and immoral activities of this adminstration.

Some of us can't be bought.

bd

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by Old School

The Political section has evolved into a Battle Zone of Bickering and not an exchange of ideas. If you defend your beliefs, be prepared for someone to battle you on it, since their beliefs differ from theirs.

Actually, in respect to beardman2, he and I, as well as jdavionic had a pretty decent political exchange yesterday, without the typical party line bickering.

I have said it before, you won't change minds in the Political section. All you can do is stand up for what YOU think is right. Everyone who posts on XDTalk, regardless of the section, is judged by what they write.

True. But, IMO, someone who has their mind so set to the point that they cant consider a viewpoint other than theirs is ignorant. Not pointing fingers or mentioning names with this statement either.

Beyond that, Tom has a point when it comes to this. If the economy was 100%, all Americans had a job, Bin Laden's head was on a stick, Israel and Palestine agreed on peace and Iran and North Korea stopped with the nukes, some people would still hate Bush and this Administration and find a flaw. This example holds true regardless of who the President is. People just hate the other team-period.

OS

I see youre point, but its not. The economy isnt 100%, true, but is Bush doing anything to help it? No. That can be directly tied to the unemployment rate. I could go on, but I wont. Ive said it before, and Ill say it again. What this country needs is a Teddy Roosevelt. Give me that, and Ill race you to the polls to vote for him.

[DoctorDawg]

I have learned, over time, that you don't go to a gunnin' web site to read thoughtful and penetrating political discourse, any more than you'd go to 7-11 to buy a good cut of beef.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

I read some of the posts and I must say that attacking a person for not being in the military at one time is ridiculous. To imply that your opinion is worthless because you have not served in uniform is to fail to acknowledge why our men & woman do wear the uniform.

Now with that said, I'll provide you with a sideliner's observation. While OEFM can defend himself, I think the part that touched his nerve is that at one point you made an assertion that the activities at home would affect you (and therefore others) overseas in uniform. You were speculating and making an uninformed judgement. I won't get into the details - but I will say that soldiers overseas making miraculous sacrifices and they don't do so because of the current opinion of Joe Public back home. There's a comradery that is developed, intentionally, and these sacrifices that are made day in, day out are done so for each other.

And again with that said, this doesn't mean that you are not entitled to form an opinion & express it on how you think soldiers would react to news from home. You certainly are and that's one of the things that makes this country great. However in this case, you may find that your opinion is not well received.

Personally I think that OEFM eluded to the same points that I made - but he let emotions get the best of him. I wish I could say that never happens to me - but I doubt that would hold true for 1 day.

I was surprised to hear that public oppinion at home does not effect our troops. I at no time ment it as an offence. I'm still not sure this isn't just the oppinion of a few. However, my view is changing.