More lies exposed

[bd]

"The secretary of defense continued to push on us ... that everything we write in our plan has to be the idea that we are going to go in, we're going to take out the regime, and then we're going to leave," Scheid said. "We won't stay."

Scheid said the planners continued to try "to write what was called Phase 4," or the piece of the plan that included post-invasion operations like occupation.

Even if the troops didn't stay, "at least we have to plan for it," Scheid said.

"I remember the secretary of defense saying that he would fire the next person that said that," Scheid said. "We would not do planning for Phase 4 operations, which would require all those additional troops that people talk about today.

"He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war."

Brigadier General Mark Scheid, chief of the Logistics War Plans Division after 9/11, and one of the people with primary responsibility for war planning.

...."In his own mind he thought we could go in and fight and take out the regime and come out. But a lot of us planners were having a real hard time with it because we were also thinking we can't do this. Once you tear up a country you have to stay and rebuild it. It was very challenging."

The guy who was actually in charge of logistics has now directly confirmed that Rumsfeld not only didn't intend to rebuild Iraq in any serious way, but threatened to fire anyone who wasted time on the idea. Needless to say, he wouldn't have done this unless it reflected the wishes of the president.

And this also means that all of Bush's talk about democracy was nothing but more BS. If you're serious about planting democracy after a war, you don't plan to simply topple a government and then leave.

So: the lack of postwar planning wasn't merely the result of incompetence. It was deliberate policy. There was never any intention of rebuilding Iraq and there was never any intention of wasting time on democracy promotion. That was merely a post hoc explanation after we failed to find the promised WMD. Either that or Brigadier General Scheid is lying.

More lies will be exposed. It's been a rough week at the Whitehouse. Bolton's nomination is looking real shakey. An anti-pork bill is going to the house. The 9-11 Commission is saying there was no connection between Iraq and al-Queda, the Penatgon and key Republicans say they are against Bush's plan to for military tribunals, calling them "kangaroo courts".

And now a Brigadier General says post war planning was forbidden.

Polls are saying a majority of Americans believe that Bush needs to be investigated and more are calling for his impeachment than ever did when Clinton was being tried.

And all they can do is pull out is a 5 year old bin Laden tape to scare the funnyguns among us.

Lame Duck doesn't even describe this situation. Cooked Goose is more like it.

Look for a terror alert soon.

bd

[tomk]

Nah, the terror alert won't happen until just prior to the November election. If history is any indicator, that'll panic people into a jump in the polls ....

[zulu45]

Damn, there's goose too? Now I'm hungry.

[beardman2]

Maybe someone can correct me but the Dem. building stuff came out after the major war was over right? I never considered part of the original plan. It seems fairly clear to me it wasn't in the plan from the start.

So your pissed about them addapting to the situation? So which is it you don't like "staying the course" or adapting to the needs of the situation?

[bd]

Originally Posted by beardman2

Maybe someone can correct me but the Dem. building stuff came out after the major war was over right? I never considered part of the original plan. It seems fairly clear to me it wasn't in the plan from the start.

So your pissed about them addapting to the situation? So which is it you don't like "staying the course" or adapting to the needs of the situation?

How do you "adapt" from going after WMDs because they are a threat to the United States to building a democracry?

That's quite a stretch.

That's like a drunk driver that causes a fatal traffic accident "adapting" he was just trying to get cars off the road to prevent pollution.

Adaptations....lies....call them whatever makes you sleep better.

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[bd]

More depressing news....

Bureaucratic battles slowed down the hunt for bin Laden for the first two or three years, according to officials in several agencies, with both the Pentagon and the CIA accusing each other of withholding information. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's sense of territoriality has become legendary, according to these officials.
In early November 2002, for example, a CIA drone armed with a Hellfire missile killed a top al-Qaeda leader traveling through the Yemeni desert. About a week later, Rumsfeld expressed anger that it was the CIA, not the Defense Department, that had carried out the successful strike.

"How did they get the intel?" he demanded of the intelligence and other military personnel in a high-level meeting, recalled one person knowledgeable about the meeting.

Gen. Michael V. Hayden, then director of the National Security Agency and technically part of the Defense Department, said he had given it to them.

"Why aren't you giving it to us?" Rumsfeld wanted to know.

Hayden, according to this source, told Rumsfeld that the information-sharing mechanism with the CIA was working well. Rumsfeld said it would have to stop.

A CIA spokesman said Hayden, now the CIA director, does not recall this conversation. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said, "The notion that the department would do anything that would jeopardize the success of an operation to kill or capture bin Laden is ridiculous." The NSA continues to share intelligence with the CIA and the Defense Department.

. . .

Today, however, no one person is in charge of the overall hunt for bin Laden with the authority to direct covert CIA operations to collect intelligence and to dispatch JSOC units. Some counterterrorism officials find this absurd. "There's nobody in the United States government whose job it is to find Osama bin Laden!" one frustrated counterterrorism official shouted. "Nobody!"

The official FBI wanted poster for bin Laden doesn't even mention the 9-11 attacks..........


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[bd]

Osama who?

[NewXD40fun]

I don't get it, what lie?

Is this part of the Bush lied, Cheney lied, Rumsfeld lied, Rove lied, Rice lied, Powell lied Democrat plan for the war on terror?





Tom

[one-eyed-fatman]

Bush lied, Cheney lied, Rumsfeld lied, Rove lied, Rice lied, Powell lied

Now your catching on.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by bd

How do you "adapt" from going after WMDs because they are a threat to the United States to building a democracry?

That's quite a stretch.

That's like a drunk driver that causes a fatal traffic accident "adapting" he was just trying to get cars off the road to prevent pollution.

Adaptations....lies....call them whatever makes you sleep better.

bd

I'm glad you could atleast find the time to answer part of the question this time. So if it wasn't a part of the original plan how was it a lie about getting into the war?