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NewXD40fun · 09-05-2006, 07:58 AM

Monday, Sept. 4, 2006 2:13 p.m. EDT

Santorum Crushes Casey in Debate

Closing in on his front-runner opponent in the polls, Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., came out swinging in the first and probably the only public debate with Pennsylvania State Treasurer Bob Casey.

He may have delivered a knockout blow to Casey, who appeared confused and inarticulate during his encounter with the fast-talking Santorum during their weekend debate on NBC's "Meet the Press" with host Tim Russert.

Writing at SantorumBlog, contributor Rich Talbert observed: "Casey was a dead stick when discussing Iraq ... was absolutely clueless about Social Security ... bombed with Catholics with the abortion pill ... dropped the ball on the pay raise ... but did a good job coming across as sophomoric and being awfully smug and sarcastic.”

Meanwhile, Santorum lived up to what the Washington Post called "his reputation as a feisty, unapologetic conservative,” energetically voicing his support of President Bush despite suggestions that he has sought to distance himself from the president.

"I think he's been a terrific president, absolutely," Santorum said during the debate. He added that "there is no question that the Iraq war should have commenced."

During the debate, which lasted for just short of a full hour, Casey bobbed and weaved when questioned about such issues as how he would balance the budget, and whether he would have voted to support the invasion of Iraq.

Asked whether he still believes he would have voted to support the Iraq invasion in light of Saddam Hussein's lack of unconventional weapons, Casey said his vote would have been no. "If we knew then what we know now, I think there wouldn't have been a vote.

"If a lot of Americans knew now — if they knew then what they know now, they would, they would have thought that this war was the war that shouldn’t have been fought based upon the misleading of this administration.”

Asked how he would balance the federal budget, Casey replied that he would repeal the recent tax cuts for people making more than $200,000 a year, the very tax cut that gave the U.S. the world’s fastest growing and strongest economy, and retain a tax on very large estates. He refused however, to cite any federal programs he would be willing to cut.

His responses provoked Santorum to observe: "What you heard from Mr. Casey is what you hear all the time. No specifics, no answer."

When pressed as to the specific actions he would take in Iraq, Casey mentioned increasing the number of Special Forces, leading Santorum to say: My opponent has no plan. The idea — all he’s suggested is his plan is special--”

Interrupted Casey: "I just gave a plan. Where’s yours?

Santorum repeated his allegation and then went for the jugular, asking Casey: "Do you support more intelligence gathering because your party has been out there trying to undermine our surveillance programs? You’re the one who’s gone out and said that you have serious questions about our intelligence surveillance programs. What do you think has kept our people safe? What do you think stopped the British, the British attack? You folks have been the party, as you have been the party, of making sure that we don’t have the intelligence gathering capabilities that we need, and, and, and have, have joined in making sure...”

Casey interjected: "Rick, you’re not debating the party, you’re debating me right here.”

Said Santorum: "I’m debating you. And I’ve looked at your comments saying that you have serious concerns about our surveillance programs.”

Said Casey: "No, we should, we should, we should keep the programs and keep the wiretaps...”

Santorum countered: "Well, my point is that we need to have strong surveillance programs. You mentioned Special Forces. We have lots of Special Forces out there, but they need intelligence if they’re going to be able to do their jobs. And as far as that being a plan to solve this problem, I think you just fundamentally misunderstand the problem. You’re saying that somehow or another the language and terminology doesn’t matter. You believe that we’re going to win or lose this war on the battlefield in Iraq and the battlefield in Afghanistan. I don’t. I think we’ll win or lose this war right here in America.”

Responding to Casey’s recipe for handling Social Security’s looming crisis -- merely growing the economy -- Santorum said: "He wants to grow the economy by increasing taxes. That’s what he says. So here he’s saying we have to grow the economy so we’re going to take more out of it. That’s a great way to grow the economy. In fact, what we’ve seen is that, in fact, when we give people their money, let them keep the money that they’ve worked hard to earn, they reinvest it, they create jobs, and they grow the economy just like you suggested. He provided absolutely no answer, again. And he’s not only has not provided an answer for how he’s going to reduce the deficit, in fact his proposals are well over a trillion dollars ... just go through his Web site and see all the things he wants to fully fund ...

"We passed a Medicaid bill earlier this year, cut $40 billion out of the growth of Medicare. He was against it. In another entitlement, welfare reform. 1996, the most successful social policy legislation in history, took illegal immigrants off welfare, took, took prisoners off of welfare, took fugitive felons off of welfare. He was against it. It would have saved billions of dollars over the last 10 years.

He was against it. He’s against anything that cuts government or the budget. That’s just a joke.

"And he won’t give you an answer on Social Security. He won’t give you an answer on anything to make any changes. It’s all talking points from the Democratic Senatorial Committee. There’s no specifics.”

It was after Casey said as treasurer he has "been fiscally responsible in my work. You ought to try it,” that Santorum pounced. Noting that Casey as state treasurer had continued to sign paychecks containing a pay a raise he know violated the state Constitution.

The pay raise in which members of the General Assembly on July 7, 2005, awarded themselves a huge pay increase resulted in a massive voter protest tossing state legislators out of office.

Said Santorum: "Bob Casey as treasurer of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania refused — absolutely refused - to fight that pay raise. He said nothing for three months, signed the checks that was an unconstitutional pay raise, and then five months afterwards, after the November election, after the people of Pennsylvania said, "We don’t like this pay raise,” Bob Casey comes out and files a legal brief saying that what he did was unconstitutional. That’s not courage, that’s political pandering. That’s not someone who’s going to come to Washington and fight for Pennsylvania. That’s someone who plays games with his old buddies, and when the going got tough, he was nowhere to be seen.”

Responded Casey: "I came out very clearly, long before Election Day in November ‘05 against it.”

Said Santorum: "You didn’t do anything when you could’ve stopped it Why didn’t you try to stop it? Why didn’t you try to stop it? You could’ve stopped it ... You said to your newspaper that you didn’t even ask about it. You didn’t even ask your lawyers what you could do ... That was in the paper. You answered the reporter and the reporter asked you why didn’t you do anything? You said, 'I didn’t think about it. I didn’t even ask about it.'”

Said Casey: "You’re wrong about this. You didn’t take a position on the state pay raise.”

Santorum said: I’m not a state official, you are. You were in a position — you signed the pay raise checks. You had an opportunity to stop this pay raise.”

Casey responded "It’s called following the law. Following the law.”

Said Santorum: "And you said that you were following the law that you say now is unconstitutional ... You filed a brief, you filed a brief saying it was unconstitutional ... You filed a brief saying it was unconstitutional.”

Replied Casey: "Following the law, Rick. It’s a new concept here.

Said Santorum: How can you say it’s following the law if you say it’s unconstitutional?”

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...301.shtml?s=ic
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I just love witnessing Liberal hypocrisy.

Tom

amishclark · 09-05-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Meanwhile, Santorum lived up to what the Washington Post called "his reputation as a feisty, unapologetic conservative,” energetically voicing his support of President Bush despite suggestions that he has sought to distance himself from the president.

"I think he's been a terrific president, absolutely," Santorum said during the debate. He added that "there is no question that the Iraq war should have commenced."

...

I just love witnessing Liberal hypocrisy.

Tom

i love witnessing conservatives run around with their heads up their asses, all the while asking, "who's s#!tting?"

NewXD40fun · 09-05-2006, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amishclark

i love witnessing conservatives run around with their heads up their asses, all the while asking, "who's s#!tting?"

Great recitation of Liberalism in America today.

Thanks,
Tom

amishclark · 09-05-2006, 08:20 AM

when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, bill clinton mentioned ending the war in the balkins(sp?).

when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, jimmy carter mentioned the camp david peace accords.

when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, what did bush jr. say? catching a 7.5 pound perch in his lake in texas...woohoo!!! what a great president!!!

NewXD40fun · 09-05-2006, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amishclark

when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, bill clinton mentioned ending the war in the balkins(sp?).

when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, jimmy carter mentioned the camp david peace accords.

when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, what did bush jr. say? catching a 7.5 pound perch in his lake in texas...woohoo!!! what a great president!!!

Assuming what you wrote is true......that's why I really admire President George W. Bush. While Liberal elitists Clinton and Carter lied, Bush told the truth.

Carter and Clinton may allow you to kiss their hands; President Bush will say, "get the net".

Tom

amishclark · 09-05-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Assuming what you wrote is true......that's why I really admire President George W. Bush. While Liberal elitists Clinton and Carter lied, Bush told the truth.

Carter and Clinton may allow you to kiss their hands; President Bush will say, "get the net".

Tom

bush's ability to catch a fish on vacation is a great reason to consider him a good president. it's much better than, say, social security reform, improving diplomatic relations with the rest of the world, having respect for this country's founding documents, preserving the right to privacy of this country's citizens, not involving private interests in public affairs, etc...i'm glad he caught that fish. there is nothing else good to speak of.

edit: forgot to mention the "no child left behind" program...what a great piece of educational reform! it's really doing wonders to dumb down the children of this nation and drain public educational resources. thumbs up!

bigun · 09-05-2006, 11:45 AM

The NEA has done more to dumb down our kids than any politician DorR ever has,

**akr** · 09-05-2006, 11:57 AM

Casey was overmatched and I know someone else that is, too.

amishclark · 09-05-2006, 01:52 PM

i'm guessing you mean me? i don't feel overmatched...i feel like our perspectives may be different. but i truly believe that catching that fish was, in fact, his greatest accomplishment during his presidency. what would you consider it to be? "mission accomplished" in iraq? phone tapping? please, enlighten the overmatched, liberal, yet open-minded (unlike some others...) youngster.

NewXD40fun · 09-05-2006, 02:25 PM

Jeez, are you gun-grabbing Democrat supporters that afraid of President George W. Bush? You're all starting to snivel and babble.

This is so much fun to watch.

Tom

09-05-2006, 07:58 AM	#1
NewXD40fun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 2,729	Classic Liberal Democrat vs Conservative Republican Debate Monday, Sept. 4, 2006 2:13 p.m. EDT Santorum Crushes Casey in Debate Closing in on his front-runner opponent in the polls, Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., came out swinging in the first and probably the only public debate with Pennsylvania State Treasurer Bob Casey. He may have delivered a knockout blow to Casey, who appeared confused and inarticulate during his encounter with the fast-talking Santorum during their weekend debate on NBC's "Meet the Press" with host Tim Russert. Writing at SantorumBlog, contributor Rich Talbert observed: "Casey was a dead stick when discussing Iraq ... was absolutely clueless about Social Security ... bombed with Catholics with the abortion pill ... dropped the ball on the pay raise ... but did a good job coming across as sophomoric and being awfully smug and sarcastic.” Meanwhile, Santorum lived up to what the Washington Post called "his reputation as a feisty, unapologetic conservative,” energetically voicing his support of President Bush despite suggestions that he has sought to distance himself from the president. "I think he's been a terrific president, absolutely," Santorum said during the debate. He added that "there is no question that the Iraq war should have commenced." During the debate, which lasted for just short of a full hour, Casey bobbed and weaved when questioned about such issues as how he would balance the budget, and whether he would have voted to support the invasion of Iraq. Asked whether he still believes he would have voted to support the Iraq invasion in light of Saddam Hussein's lack of unconventional weapons, Casey said his vote would have been no. "If we knew then what we know now, I think there wouldn't have been a vote. "If a lot of Americans knew now — if they knew then what they know now, they would, they would have thought that this war was the war that shouldn’t have been fought based upon the misleading of this administration.” Asked how he would balance the federal budget, Casey replied that he would repeal the recent tax cuts for people making more than $200,000 a year, the very tax cut that gave the U.S. the world’s fastest growing and strongest economy, and retain a tax on very large estates. He refused however, to cite any federal programs he would be willing to cut. His responses provoked Santorum to observe: "What you heard from Mr. Casey is what you hear all the time. No specifics, no answer." When pressed as to the specific actions he would take in Iraq, Casey mentioned increasing the number of Special Forces, leading Santorum to say: My opponent has no plan. The idea — all he’s suggested is his plan is special--” Interrupted Casey: "I just gave a plan. Where’s yours? Santorum repeated his allegation and then went for the jugular, asking Casey: "Do you support more intelligence gathering because your party has been out there trying to undermine our surveillance programs? You’re the one who’s gone out and said that you have serious questions about our intelligence surveillance programs. What do you think has kept our people safe? What do you think stopped the British, the British attack? You folks have been the party, as you have been the party, of making sure that we don’t have the intelligence gathering capabilities that we need, and, and, and have, have joined in making sure...” Casey interjected: "Rick, you’re not debating the party, you’re debating me right here.” Said Santorum: "I’m debating you. And I’ve looked at your comments saying that you have serious concerns about our surveillance programs.” Said Casey: "No, we should, we should, we should keep the programs and keep the wiretaps...” Santorum countered: "Well, my point is that we need to have strong surveillance programs. You mentioned Special Forces. We have lots of Special Forces out there, but they need intelligence if they’re going to be able to do their jobs. And as far as that being a plan to solve this problem, I think you just fundamentally misunderstand the problem. You’re saying that somehow or another the language and terminology doesn’t matter. You believe that we’re going to win or lose this war on the battlefield in Iraq and the battlefield in Afghanistan. I don’t. I think we’ll win or lose this war right here in America.” Responding to Casey’s recipe for handling Social Security’s looming crisis -- merely growing the economy -- Santorum said: "He wants to grow the economy by increasing taxes. That’s what he says. So here he’s saying we have to grow the economy so we’re going to take more out of it. That’s a great way to grow the economy. In fact, what we’ve seen is that, in fact, when we give people their money, let them keep the money that they’ve worked hard to earn, they reinvest it, they create jobs, and they grow the economy just like you suggested. He provided absolutely no answer, again. And he’s not only has not provided an answer for how he’s going to reduce the deficit, in fact his proposals are well over a trillion dollars ... just go through his Web site and see all the things he wants to fully fund ... "We passed a Medicaid bill earlier this year, cut $40 billion out of the growth of Medicare. He was against it. In another entitlement, welfare reform. 1996, the most successful social policy legislation in history, took illegal immigrants off welfare, took, took prisoners off of welfare, took fugitive felons off of welfare. He was against it. It would have saved billions of dollars over the last 10 years. He was against it. He’s against anything that cuts government or the budget. That’s just a joke. "And he won’t give you an answer on Social Security. He won’t give you an answer on anything to make any changes. It’s all talking points from the Democratic Senatorial Committee. There’s no specifics.” It was after Casey said as treasurer he has "been fiscally responsible in my work. You ought to try it,” that Santorum pounced. Noting that Casey as state treasurer had continued to sign paychecks containing a pay a raise he know violated the state Constitution. The pay raise in which members of the General Assembly on July 7, 2005, awarded themselves a huge pay increase resulted in a massive voter protest tossing state legislators out of office. Said Santorum: "Bob Casey as treasurer of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania refused — absolutely refused - to fight that pay raise. He said nothing for three months, signed the checks that was an unconstitutional pay raise, and then five months afterwards, after the November election, after the people of Pennsylvania said, "We don’t like this pay raise,” Bob Casey comes out and files a legal brief saying that what he did was unconstitutional. That’s not courage, that’s political pandering. That’s not someone who’s going to come to Washington and fight for Pennsylvania. That’s someone who plays games with his old buddies, and when the going got tough, he was nowhere to be seen.” Responded Casey: "I came out very clearly, long before Election Day in November ‘05 against it.” Said Santorum: "You didn’t do anything when you could’ve stopped it Why didn’t you try to stop it? Why didn’t you try to stop it? You could’ve stopped it ... You said to your newspaper that you didn’t even ask about it. You didn’t even ask your lawyers what you could do ... That was in the paper. You answered the reporter and the reporter asked you why didn’t you do anything? You said, 'I didn’t think about it. I didn’t even ask about it.'” Said Casey: "You’re wrong about this. You didn’t take a position on the state pay raise.” Santorum said: I’m not a state official, you are. You were in a position — you signed the pay raise checks. You had an opportunity to stop this pay raise.” Casey responded "It’s called following the law. Following the law.” Said Santorum: "And you said that you were following the law that you say now is unconstitutional ... You filed a brief, you filed a brief saying it was unconstitutional ... You filed a brief saying it was unconstitutional.” Replied Casey: "Following the law, Rick. It’s a new concept here. Said Santorum: How can you say it’s following the law if you say it’s unconstitutional?” http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...301.shtml?s=ic ----------------------------------------- I just love witnessing Liberal hypocrisy. Tom __________________ Springfield XD-40 Service w/DGR kit, EFK 9mm Taurus PT-140 Mill Pro _ Specialized Roubaix Expert "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING" ---Aaron Tippin

09-05-2006, 08:20 AM	#4
amishclark XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: pennsyltucky Posts: 1,508	when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, bill clinton mentioned ending the war in the balkins(sp?). when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, jimmy carter mentioned the camp david peace accords. when asked about the greatest moment during his presidency, what did bush jr. say? catching a 7.5 pound perch in his lake in texas...woohoo!!! what a great president!!! __________________ some say "cheese" and i'm picturing something lovely. others say "cheese" and i'm thinking government subsidy. i am the grammar police. all your bad grammars are belong to me!

09-05-2006, 11:45 AM	#7
bigun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Iowa Posts: 2,558	The NEA has done more to dumb down our kids than any politician DorR ever has, __________________ Remington Rand 1911A1, Kimber Pro CDP 2, Kimber Custom Target, Ruger mark2 Govt model with Bushnell Holo site, Beretta 92D 9mm, Kahr K-40, Coming soon Kimber Warrior or Springfield Operator.

09-05-2006, 01:52 PM	#9
amishclark XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: pennsyltucky Posts: 1,508	i'm guessing you mean me? i don't feel overmatched...i feel like our perspectives may be different. but i truly believe that catching that fish was, in fact, his greatest accomplishment during his presidency. what would you consider it to be? "mission accomplished" in iraq? phone tapping? please, enlighten the overmatched, liberal, yet open-minded (unlike some others...) youngster. __________________ some say "cheese" and i'm picturing something lovely. others say "cheese" and i'm thinking government subsidy. i am the grammar police. all your bad grammars are belong to me!

09-05-2006, 02:25 PM	#10
NewXD40fun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 2,729	Jeez, are you gun-grabbing Democrat supporters that afraid of President George W. Bush? You're all starting to snivel and babble. This is so much fun to watch. Tom __________________ Springfield XD-40 Service w/DGR kit, EFK 9mm Taurus PT-140 Mill Pro _ Specialized Roubaix Expert "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING" ---Aaron Tippin

09-05-2006, 11:57 AM	#8
akr XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,297	Casey was overmatched and I know someone else that is, too.

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