Not All Terrorists are Muslim

[NewXD40fun]

These dirtbags are just as dangerous.

Okla. City memorial includes evidence

By RON JENKINS Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY — FBI evidence that helped convict Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols went on display Friday at the Oklahoma City bombing memorial, even as a congressman and others continue to raise questions about the 1995 explosion that killed 168 people.

The display includes items ranging from mangled pieces of the truck used in the explosion to the automatic Glock handgun taken from McVeigh when he was arrested by a state trooper 90 miles from the bombing site.

"Hopefully, the exhibit will answer some of the questions the public has regarding the investigation," said Nancy Coggins, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma City National Memorial and Museum. "The evidence we have on display was never viewed by the public because of the nature of the closed trials."

Charlie Hangar, the trooper who stopped McVeigh because his 1977 Mercury Marquis did not have a license plate, was scheduled to attend the exhibit's opening.

Kari Watkins, executive director of the museum, said conspiracy theories will always be linked to the bombing.

"This exhibit is not going to make those theories go away, nor will anything else," Watkins said. "What it does show is methodical police work at all levels and how they worked together without boundaries to solve this crime."

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., still plans to conduct hearings to explore "possible foreign connections" to the Oklahoma City bombing, said his chief of staff Rick Dykema. The congressman is chairman of the Oversight Investigations Subcommittee of the International Relations Committee.

Hundreds of FBI agents worked in the multistate investigation to link McVeigh and Nichols to the crime. The display contains several photographs of evidence taken by FBI photographer Jeanetta Clark and others in several states, including Kansas, where the truck was rented.

It also contains an interactive display where visitors can sift through debris from the bomb site and an exhibit on how victims were identified.

The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was destroyed when a rented cargo truck packed with 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil was detonated. Besides the 168 killed, more than 800 were injured. The dead included eight law enforcement officers and 29 visitors to courthouse, as well as employees of several federal agencies.

McVeigh was executed in 2001 after he was convicted of federal murder charges. Nichols, who met McVeigh in the Army, was convicted on federal and state bombing charges and is serving multiple life prison sentences.

Michael Fortier, another Army buddy, pleaded guilty to not telling authorities in advance about the bomb plot and was released in January after serving more than 10 years in prison. Fortier testified against McVeigh and Nichols.

Prosecutors said the bombing was in retribution to the deaths of about 80 people in the government siege at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, exactly two years earlier on April 19.

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Tom

[beardman2]

My wife and I went there two summers ago on a trip acrosss the country. Amazing place. I thought the family of Baby a mother ducks roaming around was pretty neat.

[einheit 13]

Didn't we do this not too long ago.......he wasn't a terrorist, he was a criminal...

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

Didn't we do this not too long ago.......he wasn't a terrorist, he was a criminal...

No, his methods were criminal.

Islamic and homegrown terrorists have many things in common, one of which is the use of Improvised Explosive Devises intended to kill innocent civilians and enemy combatants. Like the kind McVeigh used.





Tom

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

No, his methods were criminal.

Islamic and homegrown terrorists have many things in common, one of which is the use of Improvised Explosive Devises intended to kill innocent civilians and enemy combatants. Like the kind McVeigh used.





Tom

So if he'd have gotten ahold of a landmine or an arty round (which aren't IEDs) then he would be back to a criminal in your eyes?? So what would the fire bombing of Dresden be during WW2, a terrorist act since there was no military value involved?? What about the bombings of civilians in Japan?? Were not Little Boy and Fat Man IEDs?? What about the MURDER of innocent civilians at Ruby Rudge?? Could that not be considered a form of government terrorism since the execution of a Federal warrent was not done correctly?? The same for Waco?? Look at how these situations were put into motion on both sides.....


The Federal government trained me how to recognize and defeat IEDs, they also trained me in the makings of them 'just in case' issue materials were not availible.....

[PackerfanXD]

Not All Terrorists are Muslim

Yeah, some of them are politicians.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by PackerfanXD

Yeah, some of them are politicians.

Thats a given.....

[Ed 2001 SS]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

So if he'd have gotten ahold of a landmine or an arty round (which aren't IEDs) then he would be back to a criminal in your eyes?? So what would the fire bombing of Dresden be during WW2, a terrorist act since there was no military value involved?? What about the bombings of civilians in Japan?? Were not Little Boy and Fat Man IEDs?? What about the MURDER of innocent civilians at Ruby Rudge?? Could that not be considered a form of government terrorism since the execution of a Federal warrent was not done correctly?? The same for Waco?? Look at how these situations were put into motion on both sides.....


The Federal government trained me how to recognize and defeat IEDs, they also trained me in the makings of them 'just in case' issue materials were not availible.....

A terrorist hopes to effect a change in the prevailing social or governmental structure of an area by indiscriminately attacking "targets" and hoping to scare the rest of the polulace into accepting their point of view. The types of weapons used in the attacks are of little consequence. It is the furthering of their political agendas through fear that characterises a terrorist.

You may be able to argue that the "incorrect execution of a Federal warrant" constitutes a criminal act, but characterising it as "government terrorism" is simply an attempt to convince people to view the events your way by using the buzzword of our times.

Al Qaeda, the IRA, and FARC are examples of foreign terrorist organizations. Timothy McVeigh is an example of a domestic terrorist. I'm glad he's dead.

[chupacabrachus]

Sorry if this is a little off topic but I have always wondered this. What makes an IED an IED? Seems like even elaborate roadside bombs or bombs as used in this example are called "improvised". Does something need to be mass-produced in a factory before it can be deemed non-improvised? Do they have to go out and buy name-brand supplies and draw up some fancy plan before they put it together to make a non-improvised explosive device? As far as I can tell, it's a new word created in the last 5 years to make the word "bomb" sound less scary and more PC.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by Ed 2001 SS

A terrorist hopes to effect a change in the prevailing social or governmental structure of an area by indiscriminately attacking "targets" and hoping to scare the rest of the polulace into accepting their point of view.

Like how we got our indenedence?? We started as a bunch off 'terrorists', by your definition......