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jeff221 · 09-02-2006, 03:42 AM

If any of you have read my political posts it's no surprise to you, I'm a Democrat... Even, dare I say it, a liberal.. and, dispite all that, I own and shoot firearms regularly....

I have found the purpose of forums such as this one is to spread the knowledge about firearms & guns in general. Not only how to properly use, maintain and be safe with firearms but general use guides too. You not only find that great information, but a boat load of great people here along with learning some history of guns and the laws which surround them.

I believe Guns should be available freely to the law abiding citizens who want them. I believe Guns should NOT be available for those who have broken the laws of our land or have some sort of mental disorder, this is for the safty of all of us. I believe in order to have this safeguard to socity some checks & balances are required, including all the BS paperwork & background checks.

I've grown to love XDTalk, and will continue to post here, though I am going to try to stay out of the Politcal room from this point forth. The goal of the NRA, GOA and other groups like that is to spread the word & merit of gun ownership, yet I find that a lot of these groups & the people involved in them have a hatred for Democrats & Liberals. This is where I find my confusion...

If you do not want Democrats to "grab guns" from you, take a moment and teach them about guns, show them that the guns are NOT the problem, but the people who get their hands on them. Don't point at them and angrily shout "Gun Grabbing Democrat" or "Our Enemy's the Democrats" and the like, this only leads to the eventual process of them trying to take your guns away because they view you as angry, and no one wants a gun in the hands of an angry person.

We, as americans, need to start working WITH each other rather than against each other. The Democrats are, in my opinioun, trying to make the best decision that they know how in regards to gun control and due to the fact they are high uneducation about the actual merits of firearms, they make the logical "safety over personal freedom" choice thinking that takeing guns away makes people more safe... TALK with them, don't tell them they are "stupid" or "evil" or "gun grabbing" or "Enemies" and such. Some, won't listen (just like some didn't get past the "I'm a liberal" portion of this post without reponding with hatred) while others will. Those who do, will become Gun Owning Liberals just like me, who are willing to discuss the need for SAFE gun ownership in the country... Think about it next time you have this discussion with your neighbor...

NewXD40fun · 09-02-2006, 04:48 AM

"If you do not want Democrats to "grab guns" from you, take a moment and teach them about guns, show them that the guns are NOT the problem, but the people who get their hands on them."

You are joking right? You cannot be THAT naive.

The only thing that works to preserve our 2A rights is the ballot box. The gun-grabbing Democrats fight our 2A rights to WIN VOTES.

Tom

jeff221 · 09-02-2006, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

"If you do not want Democrats to "grab guns" from you, take a moment and teach them about guns, show them that the guns are NOT the problem, but the people who get their hands on them."

You are joking right? You cannot be THAT naive.

The only thing that works to preserve our 2A rights is the ballot box. The gun-grabbing Democrats fight our 2A rights to WIN VOTES.

Tom

He must have seen the liberal statement.....

Mike G · 09-02-2006, 05:33 AM

I agree that speaking with elected officials on such issues is the right and responsible thing to do. Most of the voting public takes their right to vote seriously and performs this duty on election day faithfully. However, this is the extent that most will go to be involved with politics other than water cooler discussions with coworkers. We must remember that these are elected officials, and they must follow the will of the voters to remain in office. Party affiliation means nothing if they cannot get the votes to remain in office. Republican or Democrat, it does not matter. If we voice our concerns and opinions to these elected officials, they must listen because without us, they are not reelected. Casting your ballot is not enough, people must become involved or stay silent and live with the decisions made on your behalf by someone who may or may not have your best interest in mind.

mgeoffriau · 09-02-2006, 07:07 AM

Next time I run into Sarah Brady at the grocery store, I'll invite her to go shooting with me.

**Old School** · 09-02-2006, 07:35 AM

Governments fear armed citizens because it is those citizens that hold the power to revolt. Sickles, pitchforks and silent protests no longer scare Pols, yet guns do. If you want to balance power (give it to the Government) then you must remove the ability for a citizen to protect themselves from the government.

Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy want to remove guns from the citizenship of this country. Why? Because I believe they want government to take control of everything, in essence, giving them control of your life.

Me, I say to the government, protect us from foreign enemies and leave me to raise my kids, make a fair wage, and be the master of my life. I don't need your help - back off.

OS

JakeUSA · 09-02-2006, 11:02 AM

Well said, Old School. I am well aware that not all liberals and not all Democrats are anti-gun. My father is a Democrat, owns many guns, hunts, and pays his yearly dues to the NRA. In fact, the other day he was talking about going to Gunsite for some sort of urban combat course. Surprised the hell out of me, because he's a scientist/businessman working in the most liberal city in Texas. Anyway, the problem is that the Democrats who get elected are generally anti-gun and get elected running on platforms that promote anti-gun legislation. I feel it is more the responsibility of the gun owning Democrats to inform their representatives of the interests of their constituents that will make a difference, rather than taking my gun-hating friends to the range to try to convert them. Have you been won over to the other side of any argument/discussion you've been involved in here? You see, being anti-gun is only a symptom of a greater disease, which is to label objects as evil rather than the people that use them for such. If everyone had a gun but there were no murderers, would you be afraid? If drugs lined the streets but there were no users or dealers, would you be worried?

DoctorDawg · 09-02-2006, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old School

Governments fear armed citizens because it is those citizens that hold the power to revolt. Sickles, pitchforks and silent protests no longer scare Pols, yet guns do. If you want to balance power (give it to the Government) then you must remove the ability for a citizen to protect themselves from the government.

Old School, I'm all for gun ownership (at least for folks who ain't certifiable), but I find this sort of standard argument so Eighteenth Century as to be kinda chucklesome. The gommint can freeze your bank account and credit cards, can turn off your electricity and water, can shut down your GPS and phones, can cut off your food supply, and a whole bunch more, without ever presenting you with a single target to shoot at. If they wanted to do that, you'd be usin' your ammo to try to keep warm, nothing more. And anyway, American government has lately mastered the fine art of insuring that half of our citizens always hate the other half, and vice versa, so if revolt ever broke out we'd be shootin' each other, not them.

Yer run-of-the-mill politico...of either or any political persuasion...and their country club buddies who tell 'em what to do have absolutely no reason to want to take over and tell you when to blow your nose. What they want is for you to show up for work every day and manufacture goods and services which disproportionately enrich them at your expense....which is what they've already got, and what they've had for the last 4,000 years. They're happy, and they ain't lookin' to rock the boat. And most of us are happy, 'cause they let us buy sh*t and watch football. Guns don't even enter into the equation...except, perhaps, to delude some of us into feelin' like we're the masters of our own fates, which is cool by the guys who actually are.

mgeoffriau · 09-02-2006, 01:32 PM

Perhaps they are imperfect examples, but don't Waco and Ruby Ridge demonstrate how uncooperative citizens with guns pose a problem for the government? Unless you think that in either case the government response was appropriate and efficient.

Firearms are still our best protection against a tyrannical government.

**beardman2** · 09-02-2006, 01:48 PM

OS and JakeUSA: I couldn't agree more. I have no problems with democrats per say. The biggest problem I feel is that everyone looks at the constitution and bill of rights as some old fashioned thing written in the 1700's. We feel we are so much more educated and above the people from that era. My belief is we have gotten so used to our freedom that we have forgotten what it is like to live under those types of government. Those goverments still exist to this day. This isn't something from the 1700s but something that can easily happen again today. I have a problem with both sides of the isle that forget that.

09-02-2006, 03:42 AM	#1
jeff221 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 2,364	A Democrat View on Gun Ownership... If any of you have read my political posts it's no surprise to you, I'm a Democrat... Even, dare I say it, a liberal.. and, dispite all that, I own and shoot firearms regularly.... I have found the purpose of forums such as this one is to spread the knowledge about firearms & guns in general. Not only how to properly use, maintain and be safe with firearms but general use guides too. You not only find that great information, but a boat load of great people here along with learning some history of guns and the laws which surround them. I believe Guns should be available freely to the law abiding citizens who want them. I believe Guns should NOT be available for those who have broken the laws of our land or have some sort of mental disorder, this is for the safty of all of us. I believe in order to have this safeguard to socity some checks & balances are required, including all the BS paperwork & background checks. I've grown to love XDTalk, and will continue to post here, though I am going to try to stay out of the Politcal room from this point forth. The goal of the NRA, GOA and other groups like that is to spread the word & merit of gun ownership, yet I find that a lot of these groups & the people involved in them have a hatred for Democrats & Liberals. This is where I find my confusion... If you do not want Democrats to "grab guns" from you, take a moment and teach them about guns, show them that the guns are NOT the problem, but the people who get their hands on them. Don't point at them and angrily shout "Gun Grabbing Democrat" or "Our Enemy's the Democrats" and the like, this only leads to the eventual process of them trying to take your guns away because they view you as angry, and no one wants a gun in the hands of an angry person. We, as americans, need to start working WITH each other rather than against each other. The Democrats are, in my opinioun, trying to make the best decision that they know how in regards to gun control and due to the fact they are high uneducation about the actual merits of firearms, they make the logical "safety over personal freedom" choice thinking that takeing guns away makes people more safe... TALK with them, don't tell them they are "stupid" or "evil" or "gun grabbing" or "Enemies" and such. Some, won't listen (just like some didn't get past the "I'm a liberal" portion of this post without reponding with hatred) while others will. Those who do, will become Gun Owning Liberals just like me, who are willing to discuss the need for SAFE gun ownership in the country... Think about it next time you have this discussion with your neighbor... __________________ Springfield XD40 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone (.40S&W) Springfield XD9 Tactical Black (9mm) Springfield G.I. Milspec Stainless 1911-A1 (.45 ACP) Kimber Raptor II 1911 (.45 ACP) Kel-Tec P-3AT (.380 ACP) Charter Arms "Off Duty" Revolver (.38 Spl) Ruger 22/45 Mark III (.22 LR) Smith&Wesson M&P15A 16in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) BushMaster Carbon-15 (.22 LR) BushMaster XM15 E2S 20in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) Stoeger P350 Tactical Pump Shotgun (12 Gauge) Winchester Black Model98 Canon (10 Gauge)

09-02-2006, 04:48 AM	#2
NewXD40fun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 2,729	"If you do not want Democrats to "grab guns" from you, take a moment and teach them about guns, show them that the guns are NOT the problem, but the people who get their hands on them." You are joking right? You cannot be THAT naive. The only thing that works to preserve our 2A rights is the ballot box. The gun-grabbing Democrats fight our 2A rights to WIN VOTES. Tom __________________ Springfield XD-40 Service w/DGR kit, EFK 9mm Taurus PT-140 Mill Pro _ Specialized Roubaix Expert "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING" ---Aaron Tippin

09-02-2006, 05:33 AM	#4
Mike G XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 237	I agree that speaking with elected officials on such issues is the right and responsible thing to do. Most of the voting public takes their right to vote seriously and performs this duty on election day faithfully. However, this is the extent that most will go to be involved with politics other than water cooler discussions with coworkers. We must remember that these are elected officials, and they must follow the will of the voters to remain in office. Party affiliation means nothing if they cannot get the votes to remain in office. Republican or Democrat, it does not matter. If we voice our concerns and opinions to these elected officials, they must listen because without us, they are not reelected. Casting your ballot is not enough, people must become involved or stay silent and live with the decisions made on your behalf by someone who may or may not have your best interest in mind. __________________ Mike

09-02-2006, 07:07 AM	#5
mgeoffriau XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 1,077	Next time I run into Sarah Brady at the grocery store, I'll invite her to go shooting with me. __________________ I felt early on I wasn't going to be a respectable citizen. -- Cormac McCarthy We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.

09-02-2006, 07:35 AM	#6
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,627	Governments fear armed citizens because it is those citizens that hold the power to revolt. Sickles, pitchforks and silent protests no longer scare Pols, yet guns do. If you want to balance power (give it to the Government) then you must remove the ability for a citizen to protect themselves from the government. Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy want to remove guns from the citizenship of this country. Why? Because I believe they want government to take control of everything, in essence, giving them control of your life. Me, I say to the government, protect us from foreign enemies and leave me to raise my kids, make a fair wage, and be the master of my life. I don't need your help - back off. OS __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

09-02-2006, 11:02 AM	#7
JakeUSA XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CO Posts: 436	Well said, Old School. I am well aware that not all liberals and not all Democrats are anti-gun. My father is a Democrat, owns many guns, hunts, and pays his yearly dues to the NRA. In fact, the other day he was talking about going to Gunsite for some sort of urban combat course. Surprised the hell out of me, because he's a scientist/businessman working in the most liberal city in Texas. Anyway, the problem is that the Democrats who get elected are generally anti-gun and get elected running on platforms that promote anti-gun legislation. I feel it is more the responsibility of the gun owning Democrats to inform their representatives of the interests of their constituents that will make a difference, rather than taking my gun-hating friends to the range to try to convert them. Have you been won over to the other side of any argument/discussion you've been involved in here? You see, being anti-gun is only a symptom of a greater disease, which is to label objects as evil rather than the people that use them for such. If everyone had a gun but there were no murderers, would you be afraid? If drugs lined the streets but there were no users or dealers, would you be worried?

09-02-2006, 01:32 PM	#9
mgeoffriau XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 1,077	Perhaps they are imperfect examples, but don't Waco and Ruby Ridge demonstrate how uncooperative citizens with guns pose a problem for the government? Unless you think that in either case the government response was appropriate and efficient. Firearms are still our best protection against a tyrannical government. __________________ I felt early on I wasn't going to be a respectable citizen. -- Cormac McCarthy We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.

09-02-2006, 01:48 PM	#10
beardman2 XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,950	OS and JakeUSA: I couldn't agree more. I have no problems with democrats per say. The biggest problem I feel is that everyone looks at the constitution and bill of rights as some old fashioned thing written in the 1700's. We feel we are so much more educated and above the people from that era. My belief is we have gotten so used to our freedom that we have forgotten what it is like to live under those types of government. Those goverments still exist to this day. This isn't something from the 1700s but something that can easily happen again today. I have a problem with both sides of the isle that forget that. __________________ - He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine I will not be involved with the dreams of angry men. Founding Documents Freedom isn't free: http://www.anysoldier.com

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