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bd · 08-31-2006, 08:17 AM

RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman on "Meet the Press" Sunday.

MEHLMAN: Look, the fact is our mission in the war in Iraq is critical. We agree on that, we agree that it's wrong to cut and run. But look we're not coming in and saying stay the course. The choice in this election is not between stay the course and cut and run. It's between win by adapting and cut and run. Let me tell you what we're doing. The fact is before the successful Iraqi elections, the number of troops went up from 137,000 to 160,000. That's adapting to win. Recently we increased troops in Baghdad, adapting to win. We changed how the training of Iraqi forces occurred to involve more Iraqis. That's adapting to win.

versus:

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, 8/17/06: “[Y]ou…cannot be a President in a wartime and not realize that you’ve got to stay the course.”

Snow, 8/16/06: “[T]hat’s why the President is determined to stay the course.”

President Bush, 7/11/06: “As a matter of fact, we will win in Iraq so long as we stay the course.”

Vice President Cheney, 6/6/06: “[W]e have to stay the course.”

Despseration is creating confusion in the ranks.

What are we supposed to believe...?

War is Peace?

Freedom is Slavery?

Ignorance is Strength?

These guys have lied so much that they can't keep their stories straight.

bd

Brickboy240 · 08-31-2006, 08:42 AM

When has forcefully entering a sovereign foreign country, unseating their govt. and installing one of our liking EVER worked out right?

I still think this admimistration could have contained Hussein or taken him out (I have no problem with that, because Hussein was a thug and commited horiffic human rights violations and violated several UN mandates) without a total invasion and take-over of Iraq. It would have been easier and much less costly in lives and money. We probably would have caught less flak from other nations as well.

But this adminstration was going to have a war there or else and now we have one that is messy...very messy...and a constructive or meaningful end is nowhere in sight. Did we go there for cheap oil? Obviously not...anybody that filled their tank this summer will tell you that.

The short-sightedness of Bush and his merry men is what astounds me more than anything. The ghastly unintended consequences of the Iraq occupation and their inability to fess up to their mistakes is just unbelieveable.

This administration squandered the 1994 conservative revolution...completely. They held the presidency, the House and Senate and could have done great things, like re-vamping our tax code, introducing school choice (vouchers), securing our borders and stemming the illegal immigrant flow and other true conservative needs, but they threw all their eggs in the Iraq basket and banning gay marriage and have really lost major ground that Newt and Company gained in 1994.

Back in 1994, I had great hope for these guys, as we saw some sort of resistance to the Clintonista regieme coming around, but since 2000 or so, I have serious doubts and see them as no more honest than the Democrats and only interested in staying in office and feeding their buddies in the American corporatocracy.

My, how a once meaningful movement has lost its footing!

- Brickboy240

DoctorDawg · 08-31-2006, 09:02 AM

Actually...and strictly speaking...I believe the White House is in a district of confusion ("D.C."), not a state

CyberOtaku · 08-31-2006, 09:52 AM

It is kind of sad that in this day and age where everything is being recorded, the polititians think they can get away with not only contradicting each other, but themselves. At least it provides plenty of fodder for satirists and comedians.

jdavionic · 08-31-2006, 10:01 AM

The original post is really just an issue of semantics. The bigger question to me is 'what is the course'. We went from invading a country to protect our own - they failed to comply with the UN directives, etc. To now, we must build a democracy in the sh*thole Middle East as a beacon of hope for the others in that region. Why? They could give a rat's ass about our values, our way of life, and our government structure.

Which course are we "staying" on? The original one? If so, we are not "staying the course" with our current mission for that country.

Brickboy240 · 08-31-2006, 10:51 AM

There is no country in the mid-east that is deserving of the lives, money and effort we have already dumped into Iraq...none.

There is also not a politician slick enough to sell us on the merits of nation-building in this region.

This has nothing to do with cutting and running but everything to do with taking care of the needs of OUR nation FIRST, before running around the globe, planting fledgling democracies where they they are certainly not wanted and have little chance of living a long life.

- Brickboy240

08-31-2006, 08:17 AM	#1
bd XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,864	Whitehouse in a state of confusion RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman on "Meet the Press" Sunday. MEHLMAN: Look, the fact is our mission in the war in Iraq is critical. We agree on that, we agree that it's wrong to cut and run. But look we're not coming in and saying stay the course. The choice in this election is not between stay the course and cut and run. It's between win by adapting and cut and run. Let me tell you what we're doing. The fact is before the successful Iraqi elections, the number of troops went up from 137,000 to 160,000. That's adapting to win. Recently we increased troops in Baghdad, adapting to win. We changed how the training of Iraqi forces occurred to involve more Iraqis. That's adapting to win. versus: White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, 8/17/06: “[Y]ou…cannot be a President in a wartime and not realize that you’ve got to stay the course.” Snow, 8/16/06: “[T]hat’s why the President is determined to stay the course.” President Bush, 7/11/06: “As a matter of fact, we will win in Iraq so long as we stay the course.” Vice President Cheney, 6/6/06: “[W]e have to stay the course.” Despseration is creating confusion in the ranks. What are we supposed to believe...? War is Peace? Freedom is Slavery? Ignorance is Strength? These guys have lied so much that they can't keep their stories straight. bd

08-31-2006, 08:42 AM	#2
Brickboy240 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 8,988	When has forcefully entering a sovereign foreign country, unseating their govt. and installing one of our liking EVER worked out right? I still think this admimistration could have contained Hussein or taken him out (I have no problem with that, because Hussein was a thug and commited horiffic human rights violations and violated several UN mandates) without a total invasion and take-over of Iraq. It would have been easier and much less costly in lives and money. We probably would have caught less flak from other nations as well. But this adminstration was going to have a war there or else and now we have one that is messy...very messy...and a constructive or meaningful end is nowhere in sight. Did we go there for cheap oil? Obviously not...anybody that filled their tank this summer will tell you that. The short-sightedness of Bush and his merry men is what astounds me more than anything. The ghastly unintended consequences of the Iraq occupation and their inability to fess up to their mistakes is just unbelieveable. This administration squandered the 1994 conservative revolution...completely. They held the presidency, the House and Senate and could have done great things, like re-vamping our tax code, introducing school choice (vouchers), securing our borders and stemming the illegal immigrant flow and other true conservative needs, but they threw all their eggs in the Iraq basket and banning gay marriage and have really lost major ground that Newt and Company gained in 1994. Back in 1994, I had great hope for these guys, as we saw some sort of resistance to the Clintonista regieme coming around, but since 2000 or so, I have serious doubts and see them as no more honest than the Democrats and only interested in staying in office and feeding their buddies in the American corporatocracy. My, how a once meaningful movement has lost its footing! - Brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

08-31-2006, 09:02 AM	#3
DoctorDawg XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: If you need to ask, you don't need to know... Posts: 638	Actually...and strictly speaking...I believe the White House is in a district of confusion ("D.C."), not a state __________________ If humans evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys??? Huh? Huh????

08-31-2006, 09:52 AM	#4
CyberOtaku XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 441	It is kind of sad that in this day and age where everything is being recorded, the polititians think they can get away with not only contradicting each other, but themselves. At least it provides plenty of fodder for satirists and comedians. __________________ Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. - Hanlon's Razor Insofar as we believe in morality we pass sentence on existence. - Friedrich Nietzsche

08-31-2006, 10:51 AM	#6
Brickboy240 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 8,988	There is no country in the mid-east that is deserving of the lives, money and effort we have already dumped into Iraq...none. There is also not a politician slick enough to sell us on the merits of nation-building in this region. This has nothing to do with cutting and running but everything to do with taking care of the needs of OUR nation FIRST, before running around the globe, planting fledgling democracies where they they are certainly not wanted and have little chance of living a long life. - Brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

08-31-2006, 10:01 AM	#5
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	The original post is really just an issue of semantics. The bigger question to me is 'what is the course'. We went from invading a country to protect our own - they failed to comply with the UN directives, etc. To now, we must build a democracy in the sh*thole Middle East as a beacon of hope for the others in that region. Why? They could give a rat's ass about our values, our way of life, and our government structure. Which course are we "staying" on? The original one? If so, we are not "staying the course" with our current mission for that country.

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