Horrible weekend involving firearms.

[Timmy44221]

At this point I think a may write a book aobut my weekend. Ill Ignore the bad customer service part of the sory for now for times sake.

P.S. The worst is at the end.

I had gone on friday to purchas a Ruger 10/22 from an Akron Ohio Dicks Sportinggoods retailer. I found out that Akron requires all firearms sold to be registered (serial number, your personal info and all) to the Akron P.D. Ummmmmmmmmm..

The National Firarms Owners Proteciton act (NFOPA) of 1987 prohibits the government or any of its agencies for keeping records pertaining to firearms. Ok... So Akrons law isnt legal....

Wrong. It was created in the 1950's, and amended in 1983. The NFOPA has a stipulation that laws requirering registation that were enacted before 1986 are still ok....Ok to me? NO.

So I go to Gander Mountian In Twinsburg Ohio TO buy a Ruger 10/22. After some small talk I discover that Twinsburg has a similar law. Great.....

So some more reaserch...The Twinsburg law was enacted in 2001. Well after the 1986 granfather stipulaiton. How is that legal? Well im working on it.

As for how the companies/employees treated it. I will never shop at dicks sporting goods again. Both the employees and the companies policies are not right. Gander MT actualy treated me worse at first, but the manager and the company seem much more responsive. Well see later on down the road.

Ok now the END. A local gun store of mine that I will leave un-named at the moment Is being shut down by the ATF. By all accounts is a this wholesome family owned 20 year old buisness. They always do things to the letter, and only sell to good people.

Aparetly (from what I have found out) the ATF revoked their licence because they papercliped a form together instead of stapling it. So the were on an extention, but they are not renewing the extention or theur licence, so in les than 90 days they can sell firearms any more...And they still ahve like 800 in stock.

Granted they are fighting this, but they have been denied the ability to appear infront of a judge or to see what all (if anything) they are actually accused of.

Im not generaly a parinoid person, but at the moment my government has me very concerned.

[DoctorDawg]

Originally Posted by Timmy44221

The National Firarms Owners Proteciton act (NFOPA) of 1987 prohibits the government or any of its agencies for keeping records pertaining to firearms. Ok... So Akrons law isnt legal. [....] The Twinsburg law was enacted in 2001. Well after the 1986 granfather stipulaiton. How is that legal? Well im working on it.

I'm not an attorney (thank goodness), but the answer seems pretty simple to me:

"The act also forbade the U.S. Government or any agency of it from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners...."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...Protection_Act

Neither Akron nor Twinsburg is "the U.S. Government", nor an "agency of it." That is to say, the FOPA is a Federal law. Local governments can have different laws for their own jurisdictions. Ain't federalism grand?

p.s.: Y'all come on over the border to Pennsylvania...this state is a gunner's paradise.

[Timmy44221]

You are correct to some degree, but I think you are confusing how local/federal laws interact. However local municipalities/government cannot contradict a federal law. They could be harsher (such as limits on magazine capacity) but not contradict. (A locality cannnot ban firearms).

[Timmy44221]

I cant belive that there is not more talk about this???? I will soon be unable to buy a firearms that isnt registered to the Governemnt.....I think its time to move to a better state than Ohio

[astrocling]

The federal government's powers dont allow it to control local municipalities. Fortunatley and in some cases like this unfortunatley our founding fathers made our individual states seperate govenrments able to pass and enforce laws and ordinances. You should take this issue up with the states attorney generals office as they can clarify where the powers come from that allow Akron to enforce such law. Jim Petro office is very open to people asking questions about Ohio's gun laws.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by Timmy44221

You are correct to some degree, but I think you are confusing how local/federal laws interact. However local municipalities/government cannot contradict a federal law. They could be harsher (such as limits on magazine capacity) but not contradict. (A locality cannnot ban firearms).

They are not contridicting fed law, state law superceeds the feds. If the feds say its ok to own a machine gun but your county/city/state says no-state law prevails......again, you aren't registering your weapon-if you buy one ftf from another person do you have to go down to the PD and 'register' it in yoyr name or is the recepit of sale enough to prove your ownership?? If you sell a firearm do you have to inform the local PD that you sold it or is a signed recepit of forfeiture of 'rights' and a bill of sale enough?? Did you fill out a state document asking for permission to purchase that specific firearm?? do you have a peice of paper you must keep with that weapon and that specific weapon at all times?? Do you have a registration letter from the United States Attorny Generals office with your name and SSN and the weapons serial number?? if you answered no to any of these your weapon is not 'registered' by federal law. And no a locality cannot ban the ownership of firearms, but they can tell you which ones you shall not own with in the state lines ande/or within which counties or cities.....

[Apdl]

why are you so worried about the PD knowing what gun you have
who gives a **** just dont commit a crime with it

[BBunin]

Originally Posted by Apdl

why are you so worried about the PD knowing what gun you have
who gives a **** just dont commit a crime with it

Umm, Because they COULD show up one day and confiscate it ala New Orleans...

Besides, it's none of their business.

[dasanii19]

Originally Posted by BBunin

Umm, Because they COULD show up one day and confiscate it ala New Orleans...

Besides, it's none of their business.

+1 yeeeep mmm hmmm tru dat!!

[Timmy44221]

The laws in those cities would require a registration, and thats what it is, even for a face to face sale. And THe local law does ocntradict the federal law.

Here is the federal law: It clearly states that no form of government in the U.S. can to what Akron (granfather) or Twinsburg are doing.

( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being: No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

This law doesnt allow for a locality to make a law contradicting it. Localities can make harsher laws, such as limits on magazine capacity, but they cannot outright contradict other laws. thats like saying its ok for a state/locality to BAN firearms compleatly, even though the federal government has a law that protects our right to their possesion.

As for the why not just let em. forget that. When they march down the street(Im not normaly parinoid, but the past week makes me wonder) they wont know what I have. If you wanna make it easy for them to take items that you rightfully own then you register you firearms. I have never commited a crime, and never plan on commiting a crime. I am a collage student who works full time. My major is History, and I have minors in PolySci and Philosophy. I would love to be an activist for firearms owners right for a living, but can figure out how to make a living doing that.

By the way if anyone want to help I am writing a 15-20 page paper on the NFA 200$ tax stamp for my Political Economy class. The paper will be aobut how the tax doesnt actualy generate revenue, and how has historicly been used to oppress the american people.