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NewXD40fun · 06-23-2006, 04:20 PM

Line-Item Veto Advances to Senate Terrain

Friday, June 23, 2006
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON — A bill to give President Bush greater power to try to kill"pork barrel"spending projects faces big challenges in the Senate despite an impressive bipartisan House vote.

The House voted Thursday to give Bush and his successor a weaker version of the line-item veto law struck down by the Supreme Court in 1998, despite a recent series of lopsided votes in which lawmakers have rallied to preserve each other's back-home projects. It would expire after six years.

The idea advances amid increasing public concern about lawmakers'penchant for stuffing parochial projects into spending bills that the president must accept or reject in their entirety.

The House passed the bill by a 247-172 vote. Thirty-five Democrats joined with most Republicans in voting for the bill; 15 Republicans opposed the measure and others voted for the bill despite private reservations.

The measure must still pass the Senate, and that's by no means a certainty. Democrats generally oppose the idea and Republicans such as Robert Bennett of Utah have their doubts.

Rob Portman, the White House budget director, said the House vote should help prod the Senate, where 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, D-Mass., is a co-sponsor.

"With the combination of Senator John Kerry supporting it and a number of House Democrats, it gives us better prospects for passage in the Senate,"Portman said.

The bill would allow the president to single out items contained in appropriations bills he signs into law, and it would require Congress to vote on those items again. It also could be used against increases in benefit programs and tax breaks aimed at a single beneficiary.

A simple majority in both the House and the Senate could override items despite the president's objections.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Jun...emVeto,00.html

To identify the Pork Lovers check here:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll317.xml

To find who your Representative is go here:

http://www.house.gov/

It appears that the Democrats are the party of PORK.....unless one wants to run for President like John Flip-Flop Kerry.

Tom

**PackerfanXD** · 06-23-2006, 04:23 PM

Sounds good to me.

**beardman2** · 06-23-2006, 04:32 PM

me too... although he hasn't voted against anything yet.

Mark S. · 06-23-2006, 04:50 PM

Looks like the bill had a lot of support from the dems....

In fact, I believe that the line item veto originally was pushed by Clinton, but opposed at the time by the GOPers.

NewXD40fun · 06-23-2006, 04:54 PM

The President asked for this Bill and if it passes the Senate and becomes law he had better us it!!!!

The only obstacle in the Senate besides the Democrat PORKers are the RINOs.

Tom

KP Ling · 06-23-2006, 05:31 PM

Congress gave G.H.W Bush this power back in the 80s-90s. Clinton had it for a while but it was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The Court said that an amendment is needed to give this power to the President. Congress can not simply give up one of its powers (Article I, Sec. 7) to another branch without amending the Constitution.

I would suggest that Bush do like Reagan did; refuse to sign a bill until Congress removes all of the pork. I remember a press conference where Reagan said he was "ashamed" at seeing a bill with so much pork the first time he did it.

Mark S. · 06-23-2006, 05:52 PM

The GOPers control both houses of Congress. No pork barrel project passes without a majority of GOP members supporting it.

amaverick · 06-23-2006, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark S.

The GOPers control both houses of Congress. No pork barrel project passes without a majority of GOP members supporting it.

AND Bush will be the first President in history to never veto one spending bill or any bill for that matter. He is an idiot.

KP Ling · 06-23-2006, 09:20 PM

I misspoke. Only Clinton had the line-item-veto power. It was passed in 1996 and struck down by the Supreme Court in 1998.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/...otus.lineitem/

VTJames · 06-23-2006, 09:30 PM

Great news!

Now lets get some true patriots in the seats this November, and in a few years, and see if we can stop wasting our precious resources and put them to some good use.

06-23-2006, 04:20 PM	#1
NewXD40fun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 2,729	Line-Item Veto Advances..Democrats Livid Line-Item Veto Advances to Senate Terrain Friday, June 23, 2006 By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON — A bill to give President Bush greater power to try to kill"pork barrel"spending projects faces big challenges in the Senate despite an impressive bipartisan House vote. The House voted Thursday to give Bush and his successor a weaker version of the line-item veto law struck down by the Supreme Court in 1998, despite a recent series of lopsided votes in which lawmakers have rallied to preserve each other's back-home projects. It would expire after six years. The idea advances amid increasing public concern about lawmakers'penchant for stuffing parochial projects into spending bills that the president must accept or reject in their entirety. The House passed the bill by a 247-172 vote. Thirty-five Democrats joined with most Republicans in voting for the bill; 15 Republicans opposed the measure and others voted for the bill despite private reservations. The measure must still pass the Senate, and that's by no means a certainty. Democrats generally oppose the idea and Republicans such as Robert Bennett of Utah have their doubts. Rob Portman, the White House budget director, said the House vote should help prod the Senate, where 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, D-Mass., is a co-sponsor. "With the combination of Senator John Kerry supporting it and a number of House Democrats, it gives us better prospects for passage in the Senate,"Portman said. The bill would allow the president to single out items contained in appropriations bills he signs into law, and it would require Congress to vote on those items again. It also could be used against increases in benefit programs and tax breaks aimed at a single beneficiary. A simple majority in both the House and the Senate could override items despite the president's objections. http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Jun...emVeto,00.html To identify the Pork Lovers check here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll317.xml To find who your Representative is go here: http://www.house.gov/ It appears that the Democrats are the party of PORK.....unless one wants to run for President like John Flip-Flop Kerry. Tom __________________ Springfield XD-40 Service w/DGR kit, EFK 9mm Taurus PT-140 Mill Pro _ Specialized Roubaix Expert "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING" ---Aaron Tippin

06-23-2006, 04:23 PM	#2
PackerfanXD XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ground zero of the invasion Posts: 7,057 Blog Entries: 1	Sounds good to me. __________________ The wealthiest nation in the world with the mightiest army man has ever assembled could not stop them. http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...00-358890.html PALIN/McCAIN '08 An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. -Author unknown.

06-23-2006, 04:32 PM	#3
beardman2 XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,950	me too... although he hasn't voted against anything yet. __________________ - He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine I will not be involved with the dreams of angry men. Founding Documents Freedom isn't free: http://www.anysoldier.com

06-23-2006, 04:54 PM	#5
NewXD40fun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 2,729	The President asked for this Bill and if it passes the Senate and becomes law he had better us it!!!! The only obstacle in the Senate besides the Democrat PORKers are the RINOs. Tom __________________ Springfield XD-40 Service w/DGR kit, EFK 9mm Taurus PT-140 Mill Pro _ Specialized Roubaix Expert "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING" ---Aaron Tippin

06-23-2006, 05:31 PM	#6
KP Ling XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: College Station, Texas Posts: 480	Congress gave G.H.W Bush this power back in the 80s-90s. Clinton had it for a while but it was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The Court said that an amendment is needed to give this power to the President. Congress can not simply give up one of its powers (Article I, Sec. 7) to another branch without amending the Constitution. I would suggest that Bush do like Reagan did; refuse to sign a bill until Congress removes all of the pork. I remember a press conference where Reagan said he was "ashamed" at seeing a bill with so much pork the first time he did it. __________________ "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

06-23-2006, 04:50 PM	#4
Mark S. XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 733	Looks like the bill had a lot of support from the dems.... In fact, I believe that the line item veto originally was pushed by Clinton, but opposed at the time by the GOPers.

06-23-2006, 05:52 PM	#7
Mark S. XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 733	The GOPers control both houses of Congress. No pork barrel project passes without a majority of GOP members supporting it.

06-23-2006, 09:20 PM	#9
KP Ling XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: College Station, Texas Posts: 480	I misspoke. Only Clinton had the line-item-veto power. It was passed in 1996 and struck down by the Supreme Court in 1998. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/...otus.lineitem/ __________________ "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

06-23-2006, 09:30 PM	#10
VTJames XDTalk Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 94	Great news! Now lets get some true patriots in the seats this November, and in a few years, and see if we can stop wasting our precious resources and put them to some good use. __________________ I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. SA XD .45ACP Tactical

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