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one-eyed-fatman · 06-03-2006, 07:14 PM

Dealer in bogus IDs scoffs at crackdown
New technology thwarts efforts to find and arrest document dealers

By PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - Luis Hernandez laughs as he sells fake driver's licenses and Social Security cards to illegal immigrants near a park known for shady deals.

The joke, to him and others like him, is the government's promise to put people like him out of business with a tamperproof national ID card.

"One way or another, we'll always find a way," said Hernandez, 35, who is part of a complex counterfeiting network around MacArthur Park, where authentic-looking IDs are available for as little as $150.

Some of those coming to MacArthur Park are teenagers who want a fake ID so they can go to bars and drink. Others are ex-convicts whose criminal records make working under their real names difficult. But most are illegal immigrants who need work documents.

As Congress struggles to reform laws that affect the nation's estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, one central question is how to crack down on fake documents and punish the employers who accept them.

President Bush has suggested foreign workers carry a single ID that includes a fingerprint. The House and Senate, meanwhile, have passed bills that would force employers to verify job seekers' Social Security numbers with a phone call and immigration status through an electronic database.

Immigration officials said the fake document business has become more difficult to stop.

In the past, authorities could often break up a network by raiding a central "document mill" where Social Security cards, passports and licenses might be drying on a large printing press, said Kevin Jeffery, deputy agent in charge of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles.

Now documents are made with illegal software on laptop computers. That mobility makes them harder to bust.

"With a computer and a printer, you are in business," Jeffery said.

From deal to delivery
Around MacArthur Park, sellers who openly offer fake IDs do not actually carry any of the documents. Instead, they negotiate prices as high as $300 for a package containing a driver's license, Social Security card and green card. Next, they send the buyer to an area a few blocks away, where a picture is taken and the customer pays up.

The picture and cash change hands a few times before arriving at an apartment where a laptop, printer and laminating machine spit out the documents. Within an hour, a runner — perhaps a young man dressed as a student, or an elderly woman — delivers the documents near the site of the original deal.

"We are not trying to do anything bad," said Sergio Guitierrez, 35, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who sells IDs. "Immigrants just need to work."

Siobhra · 06-03-2006, 08:19 PM

I got work for them. They can stand at the end of the range and hold the targets.

**PackerfanXD** · 06-04-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Siobhra

I got work for them. They can stand at the end of the range and hold the targets.

+1

Son of Norway · 06-04-2006, 07:58 AM

I heard a pro-illegal immigrant comedian ripping on the notion of building a border wall. The punch line was "Now who do you think is going to build it?"

Actually, I think that's a marvelous idea. Round up the illegals (of any race) and put them on chain gangs building the wall. After all, the US loves cheap labor!

NewXD40fun · 06-04-2006, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

I heard a pro-illegal immigrant comedian ripping on the notion of building a border wall. The punch line was "Now who do you think is going to build it?"

Actually, I think that's a marvelous idea. Round up the illegals (of any race) and put them on chain gangs building the wall. After all, the US loves cheap labor!

Pay them in Pesos and make it illegal for banks to exchange Pesos for Dollars!

Tom

Kent · 06-04-2006, 08:16 AM

I thought some good work for all of them was to help with a little FENCE project. Maybe supervise a little with the BP, then place them on the other side when they are done......

Kent

**PackerfanXD** · 06-04-2006, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

I heard a pro-illegal immigrant comedian ripping on the notion of building a border wall. The punch line was "Now who do you think is going to build it?"

Actually, I think that's a marvelous idea. Round up the illegals (of any race) and put them on chain gangs building the wall. After all, the US loves cheap labor!

From another thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by XpackerfanD

Let's hire the illegals to build the wall. We'll just have them build from the south so they're on the 'right' side of the wall upon completion!

Boma · 06-06-2006, 12:45 PM

**** Illegal Immigrants.

06-03-2006, 07:14 PM	#1
one-eyed-fatman XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 9,947	Illegals need to work Dealer in bogus IDs scoffs at crackdown New technology thwarts efforts to find and arrest document dealers By PETER PRENGAMAN Associated Press LOS ANGELES - Luis Hernandez laughs as he sells fake driver's licenses and Social Security cards to illegal immigrants near a park known for shady deals. The joke, to him and others like him, is the government's promise to put people like him out of business with a tamperproof national ID card. "One way or another, we'll always find a way," said Hernandez, 35, who is part of a complex counterfeiting network around MacArthur Park, where authentic-looking IDs are available for as little as $150. Some of those coming to MacArthur Park are teenagers who want a fake ID so they can go to bars and drink. Others are ex-convicts whose criminal records make working under their real names difficult. But most are illegal immigrants who need work documents. As Congress struggles to reform laws that affect the nation's estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, one central question is how to crack down on fake documents and punish the employers who accept them. President Bush has suggested foreign workers carry a single ID that includes a fingerprint. The House and Senate, meanwhile, have passed bills that would force employers to verify job seekers' Social Security numbers with a phone call and immigration status through an electronic database. Immigration officials said the fake document business has become more difficult to stop. In the past, authorities could often break up a network by raiding a central "document mill" where Social Security cards, passports and licenses might be drying on a large printing press, said Kevin Jeffery, deputy agent in charge of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles. Now documents are made with illegal software on laptop computers. That mobility makes them harder to bust. "With a computer and a printer, you are in business," Jeffery said. From deal to delivery Around MacArthur Park, sellers who openly offer fake IDs do not actually carry any of the documents. Instead, they negotiate prices as high as $300 for a package containing a driver's license, Social Security card and green card. Next, they send the buyer to an area a few blocks away, where a picture is taken and the customer pays up. The picture and cash change hands a few times before arriving at an apartment where a laptop, printer and laminating machine spit out the documents. Within an hour, a runner — perhaps a young man dressed as a student, or an elderly woman — delivers the documents near the site of the original deal. "We are not trying to do anything bad," said Sergio Guitierrez, 35, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who sells IDs. "Immigrants just need to work." __________________ http://home.houston.rr.com/gunpics/images/one%20eye.wav

06-03-2006, 08:19 PM	#2
Siobhra XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mongomery County, PA Posts: 161	I got work for them. They can stand at the end of the range and hold the targets. __________________ \"Some days it just doesn\'t pay to chew through the leather straps.\"

06-06-2006, 12:45 PM	#8
Boma XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 684	**** Illegal Immigrants. __________________ The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable. -Sun Tzu

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06-04-2006, 08:16 AM	#6
Kent XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW Missouri Posts: 2,933	I thought some good work for all of them was to help with a little FENCE project. Maybe supervise a little with the BP, then place them on the other side when they are done...... Kent