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**PackerfanXD** · 05-16-2006, 03:33 PM

Mexico Threatens Suits Over Guard Patrols By MARINA MONTEMAYOR, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 24 minutes ago

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico - Mexico said Tuesday that it would file lawsuits in U.S. courts if National Guard troops on the border become directly involved in detaining migrants.

Mexican border officials also said they worried that sending troops to heavily trafficked regions would push illegal migrants into more perilous areas of the U.S.-Mexican border to avoid detection.

President Bush announced Monday that he would send 6,000 National Guard troops to the 2,000-mile border, but they would provide intelligence and surveillance support to Border Patrol agents, not catch and detain illegal immigrants.

"If there is a real wave of rights abuses, if we see the National Guard starting to directly participate in detaining people ... we would immediately start filing lawsuits through our consulates," Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez told a Mexico City radio station. He did not offer further details.

Mexican officials worry the crackdown will lead to more deaths. Since Washington toughened security in Texas and California in 1994, migrants have flooded Arizona's hard-to-patrol desert and deaths have spiked. Migrant groups estimate 500 people died trying to cross the border in 2005. The Border Patrol reported 473 deaths in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30.

In Ciudad Juarez, Julieta Nunez Gonzalez, local representative of the Mexican government's National Immigration Institute, said Tuesday she will ask the government to send its migrant protection force, known as Grupo Beta, to more remote sections of the border.

Sending the National Guard "will not stop the flow of migrants, to the contrary, it will probably go up," as people try to get into the U.S. in the hope that they could benefit from a possible amnesty program, Nunez said.

Juan Canche, 36, traveled more than 1,200 miles to the border from the southern town of Izamal and said nothing would stop him from trying to cross.

"Even with a lot of guards and soldiers in place, we have to jump that puddle," said Canche, referring to the drought-stricken Rio Grande dividing Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, Texas. "My family is hungry and there is no work in my land. I have to risk it."

Some Mexican newspapers criticized President Vicente Fox for not taking a stronger stand against the measure, even though Fox called Bush to express his concerns.

A political cartoon in the Mexico City newspaper Reforma depicted Bush as a gorilla carrying a club with a flattened Fox stuck to it.

Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said Tuesday that Mexico accepted Bush's statement that the sending in the National Guard didn't mean militarizing the area. He also said Mexico remained "optimistic" that the U.S. Senate would approve an immigration reform "in the interests of both countries."

Aguilar noted that Bush expressed support for the legalization of some immigrants and implementation of a guest worker program.

"This is definitely not a militarization," said Aguilar, who also dismissed as "absolutely false" rumors that Mexico would send its own troops to the border in response.

Bush has said sending the National Guard is intended as a stopgap measure while the Border Patrol builds up resources to more effectively secure the border.

In Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas, Honduran Antonio Auriel said he would make it into the U.S.

"Soldiers on the border? That won't stop me," he said. "I'll swim the river and jump the wall. I'm going to arrive in the United States."

___

Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson in Mexico City contributed to this report.
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We're going to get sued because having troops on the border will make it more dangeous for illegals to cross the border!

WTF?!?

We're being sued because we're trying to stop an invasion into our counrty!

Ol' TR is rolling over in his grave right now!

SLCDave · 05-16-2006, 03:41 PM

Can I sue the FBI and local law enforcement for making it harder for me to rob banks?

Sure, I guess I CAN sue anyone I want, but that doesn't mean my claim has any merit.

NewXD40fun · 05-16-2006, 03:41 PM

If they sue in a California District Court we will end up sending our troops to the border to pick them up and transport them INTO the USA.

Tom

Son of Norway · 05-16-2006, 03:47 PM

Let them sue us. BFD.

CyberOtaku · 05-16-2006, 05:18 PM

Am I the only one who finds the concept of one country suing another kind of odd? When did this start? Didn't countries used to have negotiations and threats of war if it had issues with another country?

Mexico wants to sue the U.S. through our legal system, on behaf of their citizens who are breaking our laws. Am I missing something or does this not make sense?

one-eyed-fatman · 05-16-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberOtaku

Am I the only one who finds the concept of one country suing another kind of odd? When did this start? Didn't countries used to have negotiations and threats of war if it had issues with another country?

Mexico wants to sue the U.S. through our legal system, on behaf of their citizens who are breaking our laws. Am I missing something or does this not make sense?

If Mexicans are to cowardly to fight for their country they sure as hell aren't going to fight ours. but Fox could get his drug lords to fight us but he's to cheap to pay em even if the U.S. paid for it.

Boma · 05-16-2006, 10:17 PM

A third world country is telling ours how it should treat their people?

**beardman2** · 05-16-2006, 10:30 PM

Dear Mr. President,

Suck it!

Regards,

The United States of America.

demon · 05-17-2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Julieta Nunez Gonzalez, local representative of the Mexican government's National Immigration Institute,

Am I the only one that thinks this is kinda unusual? I mean how many countries have a "National Immigration Institute"? What do they do there, teach people how to immigrate?

attackrott · 05-17-2006, 04:29 AM

So why dont we sue Mexico for all the crap we have to deal with. Why dont we sue them for all the social services we are giving to their people. Lets sue them for all the money they are removing form our economy. Lets sue them for all that we spend in drug control at the boarder. While we are at it lets bring up law sues on behalf of the Guatemalan and Honduran people for Mexico militarizing its boarder, detaining and abusing these good hard working poor people trying to get into Mexico.

Screw them two can play this game.

05-16-2006, 03:33 PM	#1
PackerfanXD XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ground zero of the invasion Posts: 6,909 Blog Entries: 1	Mexico to sue the U.S. Mexico Threatens Suits Over Guard Patrols By MARINA MONTEMAYOR, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 24 minutes ago CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico - Mexico said Tuesday that it would file lawsuits in U.S. courts if National Guard troops on the border become directly involved in detaining migrants. Mexican border officials also said they worried that sending troops to heavily trafficked regions would push illegal migrants into more perilous areas of the U.S.-Mexican border to avoid detection. President Bush announced Monday that he would send 6,000 National Guard troops to the 2,000-mile border, but they would provide intelligence and surveillance support to Border Patrol agents, not catch and detain illegal immigrants. "If there is a real wave of rights abuses, if we see the National Guard starting to directly participate in detaining people ... we would immediately start filing lawsuits through our consulates," Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez told a Mexico City radio station. He did not offer further details. Mexican officials worry the crackdown will lead to more deaths. Since Washington toughened security in Texas and California in 1994, migrants have flooded Arizona's hard-to-patrol desert and deaths have spiked. Migrant groups estimate 500 people died trying to cross the border in 2005. The Border Patrol reported 473 deaths in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30. In Ciudad Juarez, Julieta Nunez Gonzalez, local representative of the Mexican government's National Immigration Institute, said Tuesday she will ask the government to send its migrant protection force, known as Grupo Beta, to more remote sections of the border. Sending the National Guard "will not stop the flow of migrants, to the contrary, it will probably go up," as people try to get into the U.S. in the hope that they could benefit from a possible amnesty program, Nunez said. Juan Canche, 36, traveled more than 1,200 miles to the border from the southern town of Izamal and said nothing would stop him from trying to cross. "Even with a lot of guards and soldiers in place, we have to jump that puddle," said Canche, referring to the drought-stricken Rio Grande dividing Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, Texas. "My family is hungry and there is no work in my land. I have to risk it." Some Mexican newspapers criticized President Vicente Fox for not taking a stronger stand against the measure, even though Fox called Bush to express his concerns. A political cartoon in the Mexico City newspaper Reforma depicted Bush as a gorilla carrying a club with a flattened Fox stuck to it. Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said Tuesday that Mexico accepted Bush's statement that the sending in the National Guard didn't mean militarizing the area. He also said Mexico remained "optimistic" that the U.S. Senate would approve an immigration reform "in the interests of both countries." Aguilar noted that Bush expressed support for the legalization of some immigrants and implementation of a guest worker program. "This is definitely not a militarization," said Aguilar, who also dismissed as "absolutely false" rumors that Mexico would send its own troops to the border in response. Bush has said sending the National Guard is intended as a stopgap measure while the Border Patrol builds up resources to more effectively secure the border. In Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas, Honduran Antonio Auriel said he would make it into the U.S. "Soldiers on the border? That won't stop me," he said. "I'll swim the river and jump the wall. I'm going to arrive in the United States." ___ Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson in Mexico City contributed to this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're going to get sued because having troops on the border will make it more dangeous for illegals to cross the border! WTF?!? We're being sued because we're trying to stop an invasion into our counrty! Ol' TR is rolling over in his grave right now! __________________ An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. -Author unknown.

05-16-2006, 03:41 PM	#2
SLCDave XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 1,983	Can I sue the FBI and local law enforcement for making it harder for me to rob banks? Sure, I guess I CAN sue anyone I want, but that doesn't mean my claim has any merit. __________________ We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate. Thomas Jefferson Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

05-16-2006, 03:41 PM	#3
NewXD40fun XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 2,729	If they sue in a California District Court we will end up sending our troops to the border to pick them up and transport them INTO the USA. Tom __________________ Springfield XD-40 Service w/DGR kit, EFK 9mm Taurus PT-140 Mill Pro _ Specialized Roubaix Expert "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING" ---Aaron Tippin

05-16-2006, 05:18 PM	#5
CyberOtaku XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 441	Am I the only one who finds the concept of one country suing another kind of odd? When did this start? Didn't countries used to have negotiations and threats of war if it had issues with another country? Mexico wants to sue the U.S. through our legal system, on behaf of their citizens who are breaking our laws. Am I missing something or does this not make sense? __________________ Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. - Hanlon's Razor Insofar as we believe in morality we pass sentence on existence. - Friedrich Nietzsche

05-16-2006, 10:17 PM	#7
Boma XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 684	A third world country is telling ours how it should treat their people? __________________ The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable. -Sun Tzu

05-16-2006, 10:30 PM	#8
beardman2 XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,950	Dear Mr. President, Suck it! Regards, The United States of America. __________________ - He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine I will not be involved with the dreams of angry men. Founding Documents Freedom isn't free: http://www.anysoldier.com

05-17-2006, 04:29 AM	#10
attackrott XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 382	So why dont we sue Mexico for all the crap we have to deal with. Why dont we sue them for all the social services we are giving to their people. Lets sue them for all the money they are removing form our economy. Lets sue them for all that we spend in drug control at the boarder. While we are at it lets bring up law sues on behalf of the Guatemalan and Honduran people for Mexico militarizing its boarder, detaining and abusing these good hard working poor people trying to get into Mexico. Screw them two can play this game. __________________ “There is only one free country for me to live.”

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