Should we support terrorists, or should we support America?

[zulu45]

I know that the subject may get people raging in here, torches and pitchforks ready, but it's not what it seems. I'm referring to the dependance on foreign oil.

However, what if there was an alternative. I've read a lot about this, but after watching it on the news, decided I should find an article about it, and post it. And so...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12676374/

Now, we'll get to see who the oil companie support... terrorist nations, or America.

EDIT: Note, the poll is for what the Oil Companies will do, not what should be done.

[SLCDave]

Ethanol is a short term answer at best. Harnessing the oil we already have here will reduce dependance on foreign oil. Creating an affordable, efficient engine that will burn something other than fossil fuels/fossil fuel replacements is the only true solution.

[Jamess67]

I think the government should pony up the cash to develop hydrogen,electric,wind generation, ethonol. For every dollar they spend on arms, one dollar should go to self reliance.
If we continue to rely on private industry to do the development, the cost and infrastructure will be very slow and will cost so much most people wont be able to afford it.
I agree we should fight terrorism.
However "Big Brother" needs to take care of its people (after all it is our money, and they are supposed to representing OUR wants an needs) and stop worring about personal financial gain.
As for the poll I vote Yes. take that as you will.

[zulu45]

Originally Posted by SLCDave

Ethanol is a short term answer at best. Harnessing the oil we already have here will reduce dependance on foreign oil. Creating an affordable, efficient engine that will burn something other than fossil fuels/fossil fuel replacements is the only true solution.

Well put, Dave. I agree that what you mention is the only true solution, but this is definately the best current solution, with the technology already existing and in widespread use.

[SLCDave]

Originally Posted by Jamess67

I think the government should pony up the cash to develop hydrogen,electric,wind generation, ethonol. For every dollar they spend on arms, one dollar should go to self reliance.
If we continue to rely on private industry to do the development, the cost and infrastructure will be very slow and will cost so much most people wont be able to afford it.
I agree we should fight terrorism.
However "Big Brother" needs to take care of its people (after all it is our money, and they are supposed to representing OUR wants an needs) and stop worring about personal financial gain.
As for the poll I vote Yes. take that as you will.

The more government involvement, the more expensive the end product will be, and the longer it will take to come to the marketplace. The government makes more money per gallon of gas than anyone else. If you think they have motive to discover alternative resources, well, I would beg to differ.

Stating they need to pledge equal amounts to defense and this research would mean higher taxes, something that most people can't afford and won't put up with. Tax money isn't spent wisely. Privately owned companies are more efficient in their spending than the federal government is. Private enterprise has the potential profit incentive to make this work. The government will have to figure out how to replace lost revenue. Besides, IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB. The government is not in the business of doing what's best for you, it's in the business of staying in business. If there was LESS government, there would be less money taken out of my pocket for taxes, and then maybe you and I could afford gasoline.

It's going to take a lot of funding and innovative thinking to accomplish. It's going to take people willing to make the switch from the gas-powered vehicles. If the product is a viable replacement, people will switch.

[attackrott]

Well I was about to vote the way I would like to see thing go but then I realized the question was " What will the oil companies do." They know they have us by the balls and they love it. They can yank and squeeze and we will go were ever they want us to.

[NewXD40fun]

Why is it on Big Oil to support or not support terrorists, farmers and industries?

Why should Big Oil finance ethanol at their own and independently owned gasoline stations?

If ethanol is so great then why not build ethanol stations? Why doesn’t genious Khosla finance Big Ethanol himself?
Too risky maybe?


When he said:
Khosla: Absolutely. The consumer would be paying a dollar a gallon or less

That sure sounds like a good investment opportunity to me..but apparently not good enough for Khosla.



Tom

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by SLCDave

Ethanol is a short term answer at best. Harnessing the oil we already have here will reduce dependance on foreign oil. Creating an affordable, efficient engine that will burn something other than fossil fuels/fossil fuel replacements is the only true solution.

How is ethanol a "short term answer"? Ethanol can be mader from virtually anything and is completely renewable. Although bI do think that we must create a more efficient way to use it and provide an incentive for people to give up their wasteful driving practices.

I spent 4 months in L.A. for a job a few years back and saw a highway choked with Suburbans with only 1 person in them and sportscars only capable of only holding 2 people at best. I also saw 4 lanes of traffic standing still and 1 carpool lane that was completely empty. We need to change the way we commute/drive.

[attackrott]

NewXD40fun I would agree that it is not Big Oils job to do this especially as it is not in their best interest. But I do think some or a big responsibility of this falls on the federal government. I am not a fan of government control but I do believe that this falls into the realm of national security. I just don’t think it is wise to be so reliant on none friendly countries to sustain our economy. I believe in capitalism but sometimes it needs a kick in the butt to get going.

Ha that is so typical of LA. I never could get over that.

Ethanol and bio diesel is our best bet. All natural, ethanol can be make form corn, sugar cain, sugar beats, hemp, and even grass. Think of all the grass that is cut in America and the more it is pushed the better the technology will get. Brazil took the technology we invented and used it. It took them I think 15 or more years to get were they are today. The problem is Washington and all this lobbing buy off crap. You cant tell me that if big oil is not buying off our stupid politicians.


Toyota says that there 2009 Prius will be getting 100 mpg. I am not a big fan of the hybrid stuff as they are too complicated and that just means that much more can you wrong and that much more expensive to fix. There has got to be a better way to increase fuel efficiency that also allows average people to somewhat work on their own cars. I don’t want to shot myself to death because I touched the wrong things while working on my car.

Why is it that so many countries have super, high speed trains and we don’t even have one in our country. I would take a high speed train instead of flying if it was cheaper or that same price. Look at our mass transit systems if your city even has one. Sad, very sad, this is one area that we need to learn form Europe and other countries.

[Waldo]

I answered the question your thread title asked and in the poll. I completely missed the poll quesiton.

We should invest in ethanol, I dont like GM, but I will buy one if Ford doesnt have a vehicle that I like that runs on ethanol the next time I need one.

By the time the country is in crisis mode it will be to late for drilling, making refineries, or building a new nuclear plant here.

The democrats will then blame the Republicans for the state the country is in and try to ignore their energy policies of the last 30 years.