triggers for a revolution?

[Rob6852]

took an oath many years ago to defend this land from all enemies foriegn and domestic, even though I am no longer in uniform my word is my bond. my loyalty lies with the document and te ideals on which this country was founded. I would cut my own throat to protect it.......

+1 einheit 13.

Some of us took that oath more seriously than others.
I may have served at sea but I qualled expert with the M-16 and
the 1911 to be on the SSDF. I have no reservations what so ever
in raising arms to protect the constitution aginst enemies both
foriegn born or domestic born. Even if it means takeing up arms
aginst my fellow american to protect the constitution from being
trounced and called "just a piece of paper".
Later.
Rob

[Siobhra]

Originally Posted by Rob6852

+1 einheit 13.

Some of us took that oath more seriously than others.
I may have served at sea but I qualified expert with the M-16 and
the 1911 to be on the SSDF. I have no reservations what so ever
in raising arms to protect the constitution against enemies both
foreign born or domestic born. Even if it means taking up arms
against my fellow American to protect the constitution from being
trounced and called "just a piece of paper".
Later.
Rob

And this is where the revolution will take hold. One group will be convinced that some corrupt group has taken over and that force is necessary to 'restore' the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Two groups fighting each other trying to 'save' the country. Both being 'true' to their word. With the people hoping to rule working behind the scene.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by Siobhra

And this is where the revolution will take hold. One group will be convinced that some corrupt group has taken over and that force is necessary to 'restore' the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Two groups fighting each other trying to 'save' the country. Both being 'true' to their word. With the people hoping to rule working behind the scene.

Thats right, and loyal to no person, only to the land and the constitution. Let no 'leader' nor 'statesman' feel secure if he ever chooses money or power over what is best for the land and people.

[jednp]

I guess we can look at this one way for sure. It appears gun owners truly value the constitution and realise it is what it is, not to be changed. All the anti-gun people seem to be all about wanting the 2nd removed, and want to try to control what you can or can't say. So since they support watering down the constitution, we'd probably be fighting against them as well.. and they don't own guns, so we'd do just fine hah.

[KP Ling]

I actually read an interview with a man who addressed this very issue; sorry can't find the link or I'd post it. He agreed that in America a revolution getting started and gaining momentum after it started would be the hardest thing to do.

However once started, a revolution in America would more likely succeed than in any other country. His main reasons were:
1) America has the most armed civilian populace on the planet and so any government force trying to restore order in an area in full revolt would, like Yamimoto warned the Japanese high command, find "a rifle behind every blade of grass."

2) America's military, as well-trained and disciplined as it is, would be the most loathe to fire on its own people and still today sees itself more in service to the population as a whole than any single person. In fact desertion, defection, and covert cooperation would run high in National Guard and Reserve units in the areas in revolt. Troops from other controlled areas of the country in units sent to quell the uprising would be reluctant to fire on what they see as fellow countrymen. Dissent and mistrust would spread through the ranks over the troops from the revolting areas who are still in governmental units. They would be seen as having divided loyalties and this mistrust would cause them to be more sympathetic to the revolution and so morale and will would break down even further in the government forces from perceived traitors in their midst. Those perceived as traitors would defect and become a self-fulfilled prophecy to the remaining governmental forces.

3) Our military, though being highly trained, has also shown the most ingenuity and initiative of any military and a willingness to abandon doctrine when something else might work. This translates to the large number of veterans in the general population who have traditionally made up the backbone of revolutions in other times and places. They will know exactly how government forces will fight, their strengths(and how best to avoid or neutralize them) and weaknesses(and how best to exploit and exacerbate them) since at one time they were part of the force that they are now fighting. The more centralized structure of a governmental military vs. that of a revolutionary militia means that government forces will always be behind in the learning curve in developing strategy and exploiting the battlefield.

4) The populace in an area in revolt will tend to be more sympathetic to the revolution. Those fighting the revolution are not going to one day pack up and leave but the government forces will. So, if the revolution is not crushed quickly then the populace will take it as a sign that the revolution is succeeding and not help the government forces or go so far as to take up arms against them. Government forces will become more brutal in trying to stamp out the revolt and start a never ending cycle of hatred and eroding support among the affected areas.

5) Warfare today between a guerilla force and a regular military favors the guerillas. They do not have to win a single battle; they only have to keep fighting to win. They are not trying to destroy the enemy army as a regular force is but trying to convince the governmental decision-makers that this fight will go on forever and the cost of victory, if possible, is too high a price to pay.

6) Lastly, but probably most important, America is a country not only founded by a revolution but a long history of mistrust, ranging from little to great, of our government. Americans have always held freedom above all things including the government which supposedly protects it. When a government no longer protects that freedom then Americans, like their forefathers, will rise up to take it back when all other means have failed.

[einheit 13]

I do not fear our military in the least. Thats taking nothing from them, but we have have gotten our asses handed to us against 'guerillas' in Vit Nam, and they're giving us a go of it now, whether you want to admit it or not. Tanks, planes, satelites...whoopie...no match for a 'country boy' with a knife and a rifle.......

[ParaMil]

I think people who say there is no chance of a revolution in this country are wrong. Think just for yourself, how far are you willing to be pushed into a corner and controlled before you act against the system that binds you? I do not want to see a revolution here but the fuel for the fire keeps piling up. Our borders need to be closed to a full lock down status to immigrants, at least for some time. we are running out of room, resources and our national budget is so far in debt largely due to the immigrant influx.

There is a way you too can help the influx of illegal immigrants. Our failing border walls are one thing that needs to be built over again and maintained.

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[O.C. 4 U]

Originally Posted by CyberOtaku

At this point if only 2% of gun owners alone were to join the Browncoats, we would have a formidable militia of over 1 million.

Only problem is, that militia would be spread throughout the 50 states. I'm not saying I wouldn't support such action if nessasary, I just feel I'm gonna be standing alone, (just judging by all the apathy I've seen out there). Look back at waco; people tried to show up and help those crazy bastards, but when the feds stopped them outside of the property they didn't fight their way in to join up with the branch davidians. They sat outside where they were told to, and didn't try and stop the feds on the final day. I'm not saying I believe the Davidians where totally in the right or anything like that, but if the militia members truly felt the govt. was in the wrong, why did they do nothing to try to stop them?

[CyberOtaku]

Originally Posted by O.C. 4 U

Only problem is, that militia would be spread throughout the 50 states. I'm not saying I wouldn't support such action if nessasary, I just feel I'm gonna be standing alone, (just judging by all the apathy I've seen out there). Look back at waco; people tried to show up and help those crazy bastards, but when the feds stopped them outside of the property they didn't fight their way in to join up with the branch davidians. They sat outside where they were told to, and didn't try and stop the feds on the final day. I'm not saying I believe the Davidians where totally in the right or anything like that, but if the militia members truly felt the govt. was in the wrong, why did they do nothing to try to stop them?

I think an outright disregaurd of the Bill of Rights would illicit a much stronger response, at least from us gun nuts. As far as being the only one, I see a lot of people who would be willing to revolt, but suffer from the group syndrome. People are less likely to take action when in a group than when they are alone, but it would only take a few people to mobilize those people into action. Obviously certain areas would be easier than others, Kalifornia is pretty hopless, but I doubt it would be difficult to find willing participants here in PA.

[O.C. 4 U]

I hope you're right Cyber.