To the liberals and Bush haters

[PackerfanXD]

We will never leave Iraq. This is viewed as to valuable a staging platform in a part of the world that we have no foothold. From Iraq, we can strike anywhere in that region in a nanosecond. Unfortunatly, I think it will be like S. Korea; we're the constant gaurdian.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by XpackerfanD

We will never leave Iraq. This is viewed as to valuable a staging platform in a part of the world that we have no foothold. From Iraq, we can strike anywhere in that region in a nanosecond. Unfortunatly, I think it will be like S. Korea; we're the constant gaurdian.

What you say is true. And it's really a shame. But it's not completely accurate in practical terms.

You say Iraq is the only place from which we can "strike anywhere in that region". Yet we can reach out and touch anyone in the Middle East in a "nanosecond" from our submarines.

We usually have a carrier fleet or two in the region and a carrier fleet is unequalled by any potential enemy. (with the possible exception of China, who wants to keep doing business with us and who has no desire to sacrifice themselves in the name of Allah).

We've had a military presence in Turkey for what? 60 years? We don't have troops stationed in Israel, but Israel is our ally, and if the SHTF, we can depend on them if needed.

I don't know if we'd have stayed in Korea if there was any kind of resolution at all. Over 50 years later and we're still dealing with the same DMZ now as we were in 1952. We came out better in Vietnam even losing the war. Now Hanoi just wants our dollars and they want to be our friends. (as long as we spend money with them).

Peace,
D.

[PackerfanXD]

Originally Posted by Delija

What you say is true. And it's really a shame. But it's not completely accurate in practical terms.

You say Iraq is the only place from which we can "strike anywhere in that region". Yet we can reach out and touch anyone in the Middle East in a "nanosecond" from our submarines.

From that standpoint, we can reach out and touch anyone from anywhere. I'm talking about military bases and a ground assault platform.
And as far as Turkey and Israel goes; Neither one let us stage there the last two conflicts. In fact Turkey barely let us use their airspace this last time around.

[Brickboy240]

Have we not wasted enough time, lives and manpower in that part of the world already?

And for what? Gas will see 3 bucks a gallon soon, there were no WMDs, the rest of the world hates us more than they did already, the country is more divided than it was before...AND...there is no guarantee that this has stopped terrorist attacks in the continental USA, nor will it ensure that they will become less of a worry.

Sure, Saddam was a terrible dictator, but first, we should have taken him out a decade ago and second, we could have squelched this guy without expending the lives and money we are pouring into Iraq today.

If you war hawks want to make a case for Iran, you BETTER have MUCH better intelligence and evidence than you did for invading Iraq. You have to convince me and others, weary of this undertaking that this HAS to be done for the security of the world. I don't want a repeat of Iraq, where we go in, get a bunch of our guys killed and waste our ordinance to find out they did not have much nuclear capability at all and we're in THAT sh*thole forever, trying to "Americanize" another bunch of people that hate us and don't want to be westernized.

Also, you MUST recruit many other countries in this effort than you did for Iraq. Naions like Germany, France, Russia and other larger, wealthy nations...not a few smaller east-bloc start-ups, like Iraq. The other countries need to put THEIR butts on the line, if this is so damned important for all of us. They need to expend as much or more effort and manpower as we do, if this IS a REAL THREAT to all of the world, as you all say it is.

Do you think a case can be made that is strong enough to get a large consensus on board? Many other nations as well?

If not, I cannot support going into Iran, sorry. We've blown enough lives and money in that region with little results...time to stay home and at least secure our own border. Funny how this administration has enough spine to wage war all over the mid-east, but canont find enough spine to do what is right to secure our own border and deal with illegal immigration. Oh...thats right...theres no money in it for them and it could cost them votes that they're delusionally thinking they already have.

Sad...but true.

- Brickboy240

[beardman2]

I too think we are perfectly capable of handling our problems in the US while our guys are over there doing what they do. It all depends on DC getting its crap together.

Iran worries me.

how do we handle it? I've wondered if we couldn't do a few days of "shock and awe" on millitary and nuclear sites. Avoid putting any boots on the ground. Just bomb them back a few decades. However that seems like a great way to breed little homicide bombers.