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Old 12-14-2009, 09:17 AM   #1
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N. Carolina Politician Non-Believer!

In God, North Carolina politician doesn't trust -- chicagotribune.com

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RALEIGH, N.C. - -- Asheville City Councilman Cecil Bothwell believes in ending the death penalty, conserving water and reforming government -- but he doesn't believe in God. His opponents say that's a sin that makes him unworthy of serving in office, and they have the North Carolina Constitution on their side.
Interesting. It's a 'sin' so he can't serve? This will never survive any sort of challenge. Nor should it. Any thoughts?
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Old 12-14-2009, 09:37 AM   #2
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The title of that article is an affront to grammar.
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Oh, and interesting to know that 7 states have these provisions in their Constitutions, including Texas...

Here's a rundown of the various provisions: Religious discrimination in state constitutions

Interesting to note that in Maryland, you can't be a witness or a juror if you don't believe in God. I mean, allegedly. There's still that pesky US Constitution out there...
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Interesting. It's a 'sin' so he can't serve? This will never survive any sort of challenge. Nor should it. Any thoughts?
He's free to believe, or not believe, as the case may be. Unless the state Constitution has some declaratory requirement, I don't see how any kind of challenge could be mounted. Mountain out of a molehill.
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^^^Well, the mountain is being constructed by the conservatives 'outraged' that he took the oath of office w/out invoking God. I don't really care either way.
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He's free to believe, or not believe, as the case may be. Unless the state Constitution has some declaratory requirement, I don't see how any kind of challenge could be mounted. Mountain out of a molehill.
The North Carolina Constitution says this:

"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God..."

So technically the challengers are right.
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The North Carolina Constitution says this:

"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God..."

So technically the challengers are right.
Not if the 'law' is unconstitutional. It's not been challenged in court yet. Sounds like they are making lots of noise, but not going to take him to court.
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The North Carolina Constitution says this:

"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God..."

So technically the challengers are right.
I don't see that passing any sort of legal sniff-test. the entire notion that he'd be disqualified for not believing in god is sickening to me.

This guy seems to have a pretty well reasoned argument:

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"The question of whether or not God exists is not particularly interesting to me and it's certainly not relevant to public office," said Bothwell, 59.
I for one would like to see more atheist politicians...i have a real problem with the religious right and its stranglehold on conservatism.
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Yeah, that's BS. He should be able to serve. If their constitution has those words, then I suppose he isn't allowd - but it's still wrong in my opinion.
 
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Yeah, that's BS. He should be able to serve. If their constitution has those words, then I suppose he isn't allowd - but it's still wrong in my opinion.
If their constitution has those words, you can guarantee it will find its way in the federal supreme court and then these Christian conservatives will find themselves in a situation they don't want to be in. Namely, the SC will have no option but to strike it down, and there's no telling how broad of an interpretation the SC will take on it.

If they have any brains, they'll let this one go. Just like if anti-gunners had any brains, they'd have let Heller v. DC go and California would have let Nordyke go. Instead, they decided to press on and now we have an individual rights interpretation and the 9th circuit has incorporation.

they have WAY more to lose on this one than they ever stand to gain.
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