The 'Religion of Peace' Strikes Again

[mirage2521]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

I don't see much of that in Dearborn, MI.

And now I'm ignorant too!

You is ignant, you is ignant...LOL I win...you is ignant

Ahh sometimes I just slay me. Are you in Dearborn?

[mirage2521]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

I don't see much of it in small town Texas either. But, I have seen plenty of it it metropolitan centers. So, you not seeing it in the backwoods of MI, doesn't really shock me either. However, all you have to do is turn on a TV, read the paper, or even google and the results are overwhelming.

Dearborn is not exactly the backwoods of MI. for the context of this discussion. It is the 10th largest city in the state and Arab Americans (Muslims) comprised 30% of Dearborn's population in the 2000 census, giving it the highest percentage of any city in the U.S. So Frenchy's comments about what he sees or does not see in Dearborn have a little more weight than what you see in texas or me in Florida.

Although what he sees is anecdotal and from his perspective only.

[photogbill]

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

As I've heard more about this guy I am torn between him maybe having some mental health issues and him being a radical Muslim. Perhaps it's a combo of the two?

Originally Posted by mtcraigco

Same thing really.

LOL ...at the risk of sounding like a suck-up ...I had the exact same thoughts as you did after reading Kev's post!

[photogbill]

Originally Posted by deadsoul

Yeah, its hard to say. Some non-muslims go postal, no way to tell if this guy wouldn't have gone postal without whatever influence radical-islam had on him. At the very least he decided dressing up his mass murder in islamic rhetoric was a good idea. At the other end, it was purely driven by radical-islam. Somewhere in between I'd guess.

I'd like someone to define exactly what classifies as "radical-islam"! Is that someone who believes in every teaching/commandment in the Koran and acts on those "radical" beliefs? ...as opposed to what? ....those 'luke-warm' Muslims that pick and choose which passages of the Koran to follow ...at least for now ...until Shira Law is the law of the land!?

Someone enlightened me, please.

[deadsoul]

Originally Posted by photogbill

I'd like someone to define exactly what classifies as "radical-islam"! Is that someone who believes in every teaching/commandment in the Koran and acts on those "radical" beliefs? ...as opposed to what? ....those 'luke-warm' Muslims that pick and choose which passages of the Koran to follow ...at least for now ...until Shira Law is the law of the land!?

Someone enlightened me, please.

Do you really see islam as a monolithic entity? Just like christianity, islam is full of fights for doctrine (and power).
Radical vs. moderate Islam -- in Indonesia, a war rages

Even here in Indonesia, where there is a strong tradition of tolerance, there is a war going on between radicals and moderates for Muslim hearts and minds. You can see that war in the police armed with automatic rifles, manning anti-vehicle barriers in front of my hotel and every other large Western-linked building in Jakarta. In August, Islamist terrorists blew up a suicide bomb in front of the Marriott Hotel here and are threatening to hit a long list of targets that includes schools attended by Western children. These are the same bombers who killed more than 200 people in Bali last November. The war is being fought on Indonesia's campuses, particularly secular universities where students are intrigued by radical Islam. Activists from Indonesia's liberal Islamic movement disdainfully call them "born-again Muslims'' and hold provocative campus forums with titles like "There is no such thing as an Islamic state.'' At a religious boarding school in Yogjakarta, one of tens of thousands of pesantran spread across this vast country, they teach that the Koran is to be understood, not just rotely chanted in Arabic. "We are not frozen in those Koranic verses,'' director Tabiq Ali said. "Interpretation depends on our own thinking.'' You can even see the war in a steamy best-seller about a Muslim woman whose faith was shattered by the hypocrisy of Islamic radicals who preached righteousness while sleeping with her.

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by deadsoul

Do you really see islam as a monolithic entity? Just like christianity, islam is full of fights for doctrine (and power).
Radical vs. moderate Islam -- in Indonesia, a war rages

If the Catholic Church was still prosecuting the Inquisition in several countries, running the civil powers of the world, and launching Crusades against non-believers, and still commiting wholesale genocide, and burning people at the stake I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

If the Catholic Church was still prosecuting the Inquisition in several countries, running the civil powers of the world, and launching Crusades against non-believers, and still commiting wholesale genocide, and burning people at the stake I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

Chronologically, Islam is in it's infancy compared to Judaism/Christianity. They are experiencing their "Dark Ages" so to speak...They haven't matured as a religion, IMO.

[deadsoul]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

If the Catholic Church was still prosecuting the Inquisition in several countries, running the civil powers of the world, and launching Crusades against non-believers, and still commiting wholesale genocide, and burning people at the stake I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

But you don't agree with me that Islam is not a monolithic entity? Or that they have in-fighting over doctrine and power, just like christianity does?

I'm not suggesting it is the same as christianity: I don't recall any church leaders giving approval of protestant terrorists killing catholics in northern ireland (but if anyone does, please correct me).

My point is simply what I said: Islam is not a monolithic entity.

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Chronologically, Islam is in it's infancy compared to Judaism/Christianity. They are experiencing their "Dark Ages" so to speak...They haven't matured as a religion, IMO.

I don't think the corruption of the Catholic Church back then was justified, just like the evil, corruption, and violence of Islam is also not justified. The children of Abraham knew better, and they did sin from generation to generation against God, with a back and forth relationship. They knew when they did wrong. The disciples of Jesus made the way very clear. The Catholic Church had no excuse for its actions, just as Islam has not excuse for theirs. The reign of terror needs to be ended, not justified or excused.

[Frenchy]

No one is justifying it...History is what it is.