The 'Religion of Peace' Strikes Again

[Cannibul]

Originally Posted by deadsoul

1.57 billion people are Muslims. You are saying at least 750 million muslims condone, incite or commit terrorist acts?
Admittedly a lot of muslims are dirt poor, and get fed a diet of information controlled by people who do preach terrorism. But on what information do you base your 'majority of islam' belief? Are there polls that show those numbers?
To be clear, I don't think you have to be a poor, single-source informed muslim to think that way, but its hard to picture 750 million people thinking the same bunk outside of a situation like that.

By doing nothing to stop it they condone it.

Islam must cleanse itself of the radical minority that causes the problem.

If Islam fails to do this there can be only two outcomes.

Worldwide Sharia law or a new Crusade that will wipe Islam from the earth.

[photogbill]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

The guy carried out an attack on American troops in response to his own religion. If there had been as many abortion clinic bombings as there have been wholesale actis of terrorism by this particular religion for the sake of the religion, I am certain people would steadily and constantly decry Christianity. However, when the majority of Islam by-and-large commit terrorist acts, condone terroist acts, and incite terrorist acts-I'd say we have a problem with the particular religion. It it was a lone nut job here and there, I could get it. When it is whole nations that have this concept based on religion-we have a serious problem.

That's because it's perfectly 'OK' and politically correct to bash Christianity ...but not Islam! Remember ...Christianity and it's ministers/pastors don't declare a fatwa or dead decree on anyone that makes disparaging remarks about their faith!

I have much more to say about this subject ...and some of the other replies to this thread ...but time restraints prevent me from that right now. I have a long 13+ hour work-day ahead of me.

It's been said that "all muslims are not terrorists" ...but it should cause great concern to everyone, that "all terrorists are muslims"!

I'm in total agreement with your central them King!

Just one quick comment about the 'twinkie' excuse/defense ..that 'deadsoul' (how ironic) tried to postulate! The only "poverty" that leads to acts of crime ...any crime ...including crimes on humanity such as terrorism ...is the poverty of the human soul!

[mtcraigco]

FWIW and in my personal opinion

+1 Bill

[deadsoul]

Originally Posted by photogbill

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Just one quick comment about the 'twinkie' excuse/defense ..that 'deadsoul' (how ironic) tried to postulate! The only "poverty" that leads to acts of crime ...any crime ...including crimes on humanity such as terrorism ...is the poverty of the human soul!

Ok, I'm at a complete loss on this. Did you not read the last sentence in my post?
And what, you don't like my user name either?

Is this an example of high road discussion you were looking for mtcraigco?

[deadsoul]

Originally Posted by photogbill

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Just one quick comment about the 'twinkie' excuse/defense ..that 'deadsoul' (how ironic) tried to postulate! The only "poverty" that leads to acts of crime ...any crime ...including crimes on humanity such as terrorism ...is the poverty of the human soul!

And the real irony here is that I was saying something similar to your "poverty of the human soul" - that for many of the poor muslims, the only information "intellectual nourishment" comes from hate mongering, terrorism preaching madrassas.

There is a difference between trying to understand something and trying to excuse something. Do you not see that?

[photogbill]

Originally Posted by deadsoul

Ok, I'm at a complete loss on this. Did you not read the last sentence in my post?

Yes ...I read your week attempt to equivocate ...but it did nothing to change your central them, IMO ...that being the typical liberal line that crime/terrorism is caused by poverty!

And what, you don't like my user name either?

Hey ...you picked the name ...not me ...so you shouldn't be so thin skinned. I just happen to think your user name was ironic, in light of the central point I made in response to your post!

Is this an example of high road discussion you were looking for mtcraigco?

Just one last reply before I'm off too work!

More later if someone doesn't succeed in trying to get this thread closed!

[deadsoul]

Originally Posted by photogbill

Yes ...I read your week attempt to equivocate ...but it did nothing to change your central them, IMO ...that being the typical liberal line that crime/terrorism is caused by poverty!

My last line was basically there to tell people that they didn't need to point out that Osama is a rich Saudi, and that yes, wealthy people commit crimes, and/or condone crimes. But we were discussing the majority of muslims, and if they condone, incite or commit terrorism. The majority of muslims are poor, so it seems resonable to discuss the means by which they may learn to condone or incite terrorism.

And no, I wasn't trying to get the thread closed, I do have a thick skin, I don't go crying to mods cause someone disagrees with me, or I don't like their style. I just found it, well, ironic, that he gave your post a +1 after complaining about the (low) quality of argument in the recent thread.

I too am done for now, probably til tomorrow.

[AirForceAce357]

For those of you here blaming all of Islam for this, I have some questions: how many muslims have you met? How many have you talked to about these types of issues? How much real research have you done into this (sorry guys, but just watching the news doesn't count)? To say that all 1.3 billion muslims in the world support and encourage this type of violence is ridiculous. Like Frenchy said, it's easy to fall into the trap of blaming a whole race/religion, but if you step back, put emotion aside and THINK for a second, you realize that it's not right. If you actually read the Qu'ran, as I have for a class I'm currently taking and read about the history behind it, you realize that this type of stuff is NOT condoned by the Qu'ran. There are multiple passages that talk about not attacking women, or children, and it also forbids war except in defense because "God favors not the aggressors." Not all muslims are terrorists, in fact the percentage of those who believe in that stuff amount to less than 1% of all Muslims.

I have nearly a dozen Muslim friends and they are some of the most educated and intelligent people I know, and in fact know far more about our Christian faiths than we do about theirs. I think that's part of the problem, we know nothing about Islam, so when stuff like this happens, we have no knowledge base upon which to objectively judge the situtation, we have only our prejudices and stereotypes. I must say that I find it incredible that in this age of information, people can still be so ignorant.

[Fredo]

Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up' - Telegraph

Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who allegedly killed 11 people before being shot and wounded by police at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said.

By Philip Sherwell in New York
Published: 1:41AM GMT 06 Nov 2009

Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, alleged Maj Hasan had angry confrontations with other officers over his views.

Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.

The major is a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.

"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June. An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings.

Col Lee alleged that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York.

He claimed he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling" during heated arguments with other officers.

Federal law enforcement officials have said Maj Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials said the postings appeared to have been made by Maj Hasan but they were still trying to confirm that he was the author.

Maj Hasan's cousin Nader Husan said he was happy working for the military but did dread deployment to Iraq.

Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the military after high school. He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops.

"He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed dealing with the people coming back and ... trying to help them with their trauma," he said.

He said his cousin had been transferred to Fort Hood in April months ago and was very reluctant to be deployed to Iraq. "We've known over the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.

[mtcraigco]

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.

"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June. An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings.

Col Lee alleged that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York.

He claimed he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling" during heated arguments with other officers.

Federal law enforcement officials have said Maj Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.




Then why was he not in the brig for sedition???

OMG what a load of crap.