PV forum poll.......... - XDTalk Forums

**mtcraigco** · 08-21-2009, 08:00 AM

OK, I've had some PMs and have sent a few as I try and figure out what course to chart here, so here is a poll and an open thread regarding what you all think needs to happen in here, or not.

Hit the poll, post up your opinions.

BearXD9 · 08-21-2009, 08:18 AM

Wouldnt "drop the ban hammer" and "Moderate it very tightly" be the same?

Rlxurmnd · 08-21-2009, 08:26 AM

i do not post much but i say it needs to stay open, but it should only be open to politics that relate to guns and nothing else. this is a gun forum not a political debate forum.

**Frenchy** · 08-21-2009, 08:43 AM

To be honest Mark, I really don't care. I've never been on a political forum yet that has remained civil. For a forum to self-moderate there has to be a modicum of respect. You will find little of that in these venues. You either allow a free-for-all or you stifle dissent. There is no middle ground.
You have adults on here that act like juveniles. You have some that can't control their temper. You have some that are pyromaniacs. That like to start a fire, and then watch it as it blazes out of control.
The moderate minded ones can't control this and have either left, or visit infrequently.
It serves little purpose to name names, because everyone will point their finger at the other guy.
Rational give n' take is not acceptable. You have two distinct political ideologies here, and one won't sway the other. Acceptance of ones belief is unacceptable. You're wrong....period.
If it were me I would shut it down, and return XD Talk to it's original purpose.
My opinion.

**justgotback** · 08-21-2009, 08:50 AM

I say leave it open Mark. If folks cross the line severely, drop the hammer. Once that is done a couple of times, things will certainly get calmer...

SpringfieldXD.40 · 08-21-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

The moderate minded ones can't control this and have either left, or visit infrequently.

This should be stressed. I very much enjoy the discussion of politics, but I choose to do so on another forum...a forum where no matter how much we disagree, a certain level of respect is not only expected...it is demanded.

**psc** · 08-21-2009, 08:57 AM

I'm interested in hearing from the rapib dissenter "voters". Is that rapid dissenters from the GOP...or rapid dissenters with moderate and liberal view points? Surely no one who believes in this country and what it stands for would ever be a "rapid dessenter" from our 1A right and open discussions and debate?

As my diesel mechanic Grandfather used to tell me (an over-compulsive organized freak), when you step outside into this shi7hole of a world, recognize there are tools on both sides of the workshop.

Now I'm not sure if he meant there are "over zealous loonies" on both sides of issues...or there are reasons for having a left-right balance to our government.

Either way Grandpa was a drunk who spoke the truth and absolutely hated folks who refused to 'think' before they talk. He loved a great joke, a good ribbing, but absolutely despised those that slurp their own bathwater, attempt to belittle or shout down others, and are unable to organize and articulate their own thoughts--and instead regurgitate someone elses garbage or insults.

Springfield XD enthusiests are not one size fit's all underwear. They are simply gun owners who love their hardware...and they come from all over the world, fat, skinny, old, young, man, women, gentile and jew. Throw in a couple of non-believers and fanatics and you got yourself the PV forum.

What I despise are the ones who wrap themselves in Patriotism, Glory of God, Freedom, and the American way...but sit there and belittle their fellow citizen, registered voter, and often times veteran and/or fellow christian...solely because they didn't vote for the GOP candidate.

You can shut it down, ban the zealots, lock threads, label me, call me an idiot all dang long. I'm not leaving. I do my best to play by the rules...and I don't give one ratz *** who thinks I drink pretty flavored color drinks. I've voted for both sides of the aisle on many ocassions. I contributed to both campaigns. I think man is flawed, just like the two politicians who were running.

At the end of the day, I love my Springfield weapon, I love this forum and a couple of characters in this place...but I think it's high time to tell some folks on both sides that if they don't calm the eff down and **** for a second and listen to the rules for playing in the sandbox...then kick their azzes to the curb.

I've said it before and I will say it again. One Team~One Fight. Thanks for the opportunity.

Mark, you are doing great, don't shut this place down, others can simply leave if they wish...if I had the chance to vote for two people who I think would be great mod's, it would have been You and Frenchy.

Have a great weekend.

norinco982lover · 08-21-2009, 08:58 AM

I have chosen somewhere else to discuss politics as well. That is not to say that I do not find our PV forum very very entertaining and I would hate to see it go...I say enforce the rules--put up a strike system--3 strikes, you're out!

I also have to edit my post after seeing what PSC said above. I also would like to hear from those rabid dissenter voters. That is what America is about--checks and balances, agreements-disagreements. I respect people who vote for the other side and I want to know WHY they voted the way they did. Would I have voted for who I did last year if I could do it all over again? Maybe. Would "XXX" have voted for Obama if he'd known he would wreck the country? Probably not. But I want to know why I should vote for a certain candidate.

~Norinco

**tcox4freedom** · 08-21-2009, 09:03 AM

I voted "leave it alone".

Most of us are here because we love our XD(M)'s. I think that those that are here just to cause "political unrest" and to make trouble are fairly well known and generally aren't taken to seriously.

(Besides, "Freedom of Speech" is just as vital to a "FREE" nation as the "Right to Bear Arms".)

JMHO;

**Frenchy** · 08-21-2009, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcox4freedom

I voted "leave it alone".

Most of us are here because we love our XD(M)'s. I think that those that are here just to cause "political unrest" and to make trouble are fairly well known and generally aren't taken to seriously.

(Besides, "Freedom of Speech" is just as vital to a "FREE" nation as the "Right to Bear Arms".)

JMHO;

There is no freedom of speech on a private forum. Moderators and ownership can either be benevolent despots, or brutal dictators...their choice, not yours.

View Poll Results: What is the best course of action for the PV and the good of XDTalk?
Leave it alone, let it self-moderate.	35	40.23%
Drop the ban hammer on those who can't "get along"	26	29.89%
Re-focus it. This IS a gun forum, rabid dissenters need to go away.	7	8.05%
Moderate it very tightly, enforce the rules evenly.	21	24.14%
Does not really matter to me, I'm here on XDTalk for gun stuff	8	9.20%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

08-21-2009, 08:00 AM	#1
mtcraigco XDTalk Sheriff Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,031	PV forum poll.......... OK, I've had some PMs and have sent a few as I try and figure out what course to chart here, so here is a poll and an open thread regarding what you all think needs to happen in here, or not. Hit the poll, post up your opinions. __________________ Mark Craighead Owner/Founder CrossBreed Holsters LLC http://www.crossbreedholsters.com Owner XDTalk.com 2 Chronicles 7:14 NIV If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. Last edited by mtcraigco; 08-21-2009 at 08:06 AM.
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08-21-2009, 08:18 AM	#2
BearXD9 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Madisonville, TX Posts: 453	Wouldnt "drop the ban hammer" and "Moderate it very tightly" be the same?
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08-21-2009, 08:26 AM	#3
Rlxurmnd XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 218	i do not post much but i say it needs to stay open, but it should only be open to politics that relate to guns and nothing else. this is a gun forum not a political debate forum.
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08-21-2009, 08:43 AM	#4
Frenchy XDTalk 20K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Near the banks of the Missouri and Osage Posts: 20,855	To be honest Mark, I really don't care. I've never been on a political forum yet that has remained civil. For a forum to self-moderate there has to be a modicum of respect. You will find little of that in these venues. You either allow a free-for-all or you stifle dissent. There is no middle ground. You have adults on here that act like juveniles. You have some that can't control their temper. You have some that are pyromaniacs. That like to start a fire, and then watch it as it blazes out of control. The moderate minded ones can't control this and have either left, or visit infrequently. It serves little purpose to name names, because everyone will point their finger at the other guy. Rational give n' take is not acceptable. You have two distinct political ideologies here, and one won't sway the other. Acceptance of ones belief is unacceptable. You're wrong....period. If it were me I would shut it down, and return XD Talk to it's original purpose. My opinion. __________________ ~SC Harvey~ *"The Republicans know we have a constitution, and they dismiss it with contempt and arrogance ...* The Democrats simply never heard of it ..."--Livyjr-2008 *"Patriots don't let patriots vote stupid..."--*Frenchy-2009
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08-21-2009, 08:50 AM	#5
justgotback XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 17,127	I say leave it open Mark. If folks cross the line severely, drop the hammer. Once that is done a couple of times, things will certainly get calmer... __________________ The brave may not live forever, but the cautious will never live at all.........
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08-21-2009, 08:57 AM	#7
psc XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,828	I'm interested in hearing from the rapib dissenter "voters". Is that rapid dissenters from the GOP...or rapid dissenters with moderate and liberal view points? Surely no one who believes in this country and what it stands for would ever be a "rapid dessenter" from our 1A right and open discussions and debate? As my diesel mechanic Grandfather used to tell me (an over-compulsive organized freak), when you step outside into this shi7hole of a world, recognize there are tools on both sides of the workshop. Now I'm not sure if he meant there are "over zealous loonies" on both sides of issues...or there are reasons for having a left-right balance to our government. Either way Grandpa was a drunk who spoke the truth and absolutely hated folks who refused to 'think' before they talk. He loved a great joke, a good ribbing, but absolutely despised those that slurp their own bathwater, attempt to belittle or shout down others, and are unable to organize and articulate their own thoughts--and instead regurgitate someone elses garbage or insults. Springfield XD enthusiests are not one size fit's all underwear. They are simply gun owners who love their hardware...and they come from all over the world, fat, skinny, old, young, man, women, gentile and jew. Throw in a couple of non-believers and fanatics and you got yourself the PV forum. What I despise are the ones who wrap themselves in Patriotism, Glory of God, Freedom, and the American way...but sit there and belittle their fellow citizen, registered voter, and often times veteran and/or fellow christian...solely because they didn't vote for the GOP candidate. You can shut it down, ban the zealots, lock threads, label me, call me an idiot all dang long. I'm not leaving. I do my best to play by the rules...and I don't give one ratz * who thinks I drink pretty flavored color drinks. I've voted for both sides of the aisle on many ocassions. I contributed to both campaigns. I think man is flawed, just like the two politicians who were running. At the end of the day, I love my Springfield weapon, I love this forum and a couple of characters in this place...but I think it's high time to tell some folks on both sides that if they don't calm the eff down and ** for a second and listen to the rules for playing in the sandbox...then kick their azzes to the curb. I've said it before and I will say it again. One Team~One Fight. Thanks for the opportunity. Mark, you are doing great, don't shut this place down, others can simply leave if they wish...if I had the chance to vote for two people who I think would be great mod's, it would have been You and Frenchy. Have a great weekend. Last edited by psc; 08-21-2009 at 09:02 AM.
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08-21-2009, 08:58 AM	#8
norinco982lover XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Southeast KS Posts: 1,588	I have chosen somewhere else to discuss politics as well. That is not to say that I do not find our PV forum very very entertaining and I would hate to see it go...I say enforce the rules--put up a strike system--3 strikes, you're out! I also have to edit my post after seeing what PSC said above. I also would like to hear from those rabid dissenter voters. That is what America is about--checks and balances, agreements-disagreements. I respect people who vote for the other side and I want to know WHY they voted the way they did. Would I have voted for who I did last year if I could do it all over again? Maybe. Would "XXX" have voted for Obama if he'd known he would wreck the country? Probably not. But I want to know why I should vote for a certain candidate. ~Norinco __________________ Black XD-9SC Black XD-45C CZ 82 Saiga 7.62x39 (converted) Ranger Model 18 .22 Guns I have sold: 1940 Mosin 91/30 w/mojo peep sights Hipoint 995 carbine w/ati stock 1959 Romanian SKS w/tapco t6 stock CZ-75B Norinco 981 Keltec P-11 http://www.soviet-steel.com/ Last edited by norinco982lover; 08-21-2009 at 09:22 AM.
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08-21-2009, 09:03 AM	#9
tcox4freedom XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 356	I voted "leave it alone". Most of us are here because we love our XD(M)'s. I think that those that are here just to cause "political unrest" and to make trouble are fairly well known and generally aren't taken to seriously. (Besides, "Freedom of Speech" is just as vital to a "FREE" nation as the "Right to Bear Arms".) JMHO; __________________ I have an attorney! I will not let my rights be violated! Do You? http://www.prepaidlegal.com/info/tjcox
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