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bd · 02-03-2006, 09:29 AM

Bush has been given a great opportunity, I just wonder if he's smart enough to seize it.

Osama bin Laden, in his last tape, offered a truce. If Bush was smart he would pursue this offer. It's a win/win for him because.....

a.) OBL might actually be serious and we may be able to have peace. Bush would be forever remembered as a great peacemaker.

or

b.) If Bush does negotiate with OBL and OBL does not hold up his end of the deal he would be discredited in front of the rest of the world and Bush would gain back a lot of lost credibility in front of the rest of the world especially the Muslim population.

OBL would not be offering this truce if he didn't feel like he could pull off something major to prove his point.

What's he got to lose? If we do have another major attack on the U.S. resulting in great numbers of casualties and he did not even feel out OBL's truce offer Bush is going to look like a bigger horse's ass than he already is.

It's a great opportunity. Bush can't lose either way.

bd

Ed 2001 SS · 02-03-2006, 09:42 AM

So, according to you, all you have to do to get the US to do your bidding, is:

1. Kill 3000 Americans
2. Hide in a cave and arrange for your friends to kill more Americans
3. Offer to negotiate

The moment any President offers to negotiate under these circumstances is the moment the US ceases to mean anything in this world. You might as well declare open season on all Americans throughout the world.

OBL must be made to pay for his crimes. If you can't see that, you're blind.

bd · 02-03-2006, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed 2001 SS

So, according to you, all you have to do to get the US to do your bidding, is:

1. Kill 3000 Americans
2. Hide in a cave and arrange for your friends to kill more Americans
3. Offer to negotiate

The moment any President offers to negotiate under these circumstances is the moment the US ceases to mean anything in this world. You might as well declare open season on all Americans throughout the world.

OBL must be made to pay for his crimes. If you can't see that, you're blind.

It's already open season on Americans throughout the world.

I didn't say surrender, I said see what his terms of truce are.

bd

Ed 2001 SS · 02-03-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bd

I didn't say surrender, I said see what his terms of truce are.
bd

That will only serve to legitimize his actions.

How do you bring an enemy who has attacked you to the "negotiating table"?

You kick his ass until he cries uncle.

OBL is asking the President to cry uncle.

mullanman · 02-03-2006, 09:58 AM

So if we just told Osama to go home and make nice....then this just all goes away.....whoa......

that's kind of the way hippies think....

Here's the reality...

1. remove osama, someone else takes his place.
2. does he really have control of all of Al-Queda, and does he have any control over groups not run by AQ?

bd · 02-03-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed 2001 SS

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd

I didn't say surrender, I said see what his terms of truce are.
bd

That will only serve to legitimize his actions.

How do you bring an enemy who has attacked you to the "negotiating table"?

You kick his ass until he cries uncle.

OBL is asking the President to cry uncle.

Bush knows he's not going to get his ass blown up in some terrorist attack.
That makes it a lot easier not to cry uncle.

Bush wins either scenario - it's plain his personal pride comes before his care for Americans' safety if he does not consider the truce.

bd

bd

Ed 2001 SS · 02-03-2006, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mullanman

So if we just told Osama to go home and make nice....then this just all goes away.....whoa......

that's kind of the way hippies think....

Here's the reality...

1. remove osama, someone else takes his place.
2. does he really have control of all of Al-Queda, and does he have any control over groups not run by AQ?

This is an ideological war. We shouldn't make efforts to change the minds of those that hate Western and American ideology. The only thing we can do is make sure the consequences of taking actions against Americans is so dire that the "martyrs" will think about the consequences..not just to themselves but to everyone around them (friends, family, whatever).

bd · 02-03-2006, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mullanman

So if we just told Osama to go home and make nice....then this just all goes away.....whoa......

that's kind of the way hippies think....

Here's the reality...

1. remove osama, someone else takes his place.
2. does he really have control of all of Al-Queda, and does he have any control over groups not run by AQ?

It's good you can recognize thinking.

By your reality... we will forever be in a constant state of war.

Why not proceed with determining what the terms of truce are then, what have we got to lose?

bd

tgom222 · 02-03-2006, 10:16 AM

bd you show how messed up the left's ideas of national security are.

If someone murders someone and tells the police, "I won't hurt anyone else if you leave me alone," the police don't say, "sounds good."

You hunt their butt down and either kill them or put them in jail.

You cannot EVER negotiate with terrorists. It will only encourage more terror.

bd · 02-03-2006, 10:28 AM

Reagan, daddy Bush, Carter and Clinton all negotiated with terrorists.

Regardless of what was said we recently negotiated with terrorists when Iraqi women were released from prisons in Iraq.

Bush has an opportunity to explore new ground. He might come out of it looking like the greatest president in the history of the country. Worst case, we will remain in the predicament we are in forever as most folks predict.

If we are attacked again and he has not considered the offer of a truce he cannot say he did everything possible to protect the United States.

bd

02-03-2006, 09:29 AM	#1
bd XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,864	A great opportunity Bush has been given a great opportunity, I just wonder if he's smart enough to seize it. Osama bin Laden, in his last tape, offered a truce. If Bush was smart he would pursue this offer. It's a win/win for him because..... a.) OBL might actually be serious and we may be able to have peace. Bush would be forever remembered as a great peacemaker. or b.) If Bush does negotiate with OBL and OBL does not hold up his end of the deal he would be discredited in front of the rest of the world and Bush would gain back a lot of lost credibility in front of the rest of the world especially the Muslim population. OBL would not be offering this truce if he didn't feel like he could pull off something major to prove his point. What's he got to lose? If we do have another major attack on the U.S. resulting in great numbers of casualties and he did not even feel out OBL's truce offer Bush is going to look like a bigger horse's ass than he already is. It's a great opportunity. Bush can't lose either way. bd

02-03-2006, 09:42 AM	#2
Ed 2001 SS XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 551	So, according to you, all you have to do to get the US to do your bidding, is: 1. Kill 3000 Americans 2. Hide in a cave and arrange for your friends to kill more Americans 3. Offer to negotiate The moment any President offers to negotiate under these circumstances is the moment the US ceases to mean anything in this world. You might as well declare open season on all Americans throughout the world. OBL must be made to pay for his crimes. If you can't see that, you're blind. __________________ Ed XD 40 Service XD9 SC Bi-tone Kel-Tec PF-9 S&W Mod 66-1 .357 Magnum

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mullanman XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,911	So if we just told Osama to go home and make nice....then this just all goes away.....whoa...... that's kind of the way hippies think.... Here's the reality... 1. remove osama, someone else takes his place. 2. does he really have control of all of Al-Queda, and does he have any control over groups not run by AQ? __________________ USPSA L2683

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02-03-2006, 10:16 AM	#9
tgom222 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bloomington, IN Posts: 138	bd you show how messed up the left's ideas of national security are. If someone murders someone and tells the police, "I won't hurt anyone else if you leave me alone," the police don't say, "sounds good." You hunt their butt down and either kill them or put them in jail. You cannot EVER negotiate with terrorists. It will only encourage more terror.

02-03-2006, 10:28 AM	#10
bd XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,864	Reagan, daddy Bush, Carter and Clinton all negotiated with terrorists. Regardless of what was said we recently negotiated with terrorists when Iraqi women were released from prisons in Iraq. Bush has an opportunity to explore new ground. He might come out of it looking like the greatest president in the history of the country. Worst case, we will remain in the predicament we are in forever as most folks predict. If we are attacked again and he has not considered the offer of a truce he cannot say he did everything possible to protect the United States. bd