"White folks gonna riot and I don't blame 'em!"

[Fdxpilot]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Yes, Obama doesn't seem to be one to rock the boat too much when it comes to the DHS, the Patriot Act and Gitmo. Maybe he's a gradualist and will do away with them eventually. But, his expansion of the bureaucracy through the appointments of these various czars and other heads, does not look promising. I understand the desire for expertise, but these experts bring with them whole departments of people. That's more on the government payroll, more for taxpayers to pay for.

Actually, the Obama Administration is turning the DHS into what the liberal left feared under Pres. Bush, a politically oriented Secret Police service. Yet most liberals don't seem to mind. They must like having a Gestapo-like organization at their beck and call.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

As for the stimulus, and Obama's handling of the economy, I think the jury is still out. After all, he has only been president for less than 7 months. We were in a severe recession - some compared it to the Great Depression. It will take years to recover I think. I just hope we don't make the same mistakes that were made that caused the crisis to begin with.

The fact that nobody bothered to actually study the stimulus bills, but just ramrodded these giveaways through the congress and onto BHO's desk, is one of the reasons the stimulus isn't working. Money is going to many of the wrong places, and being wasted hand over fist. All this package will do is help bankrupt us and all future generations.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

We were just passed by China as the world's biggest CO2 emitter. India is #3. We're still pretty bad.

And yet, neither of these countries is doing much of anything to cut their carbon emissions. They don't want to hamper their economy.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Fdxpilot

Actually, the Obama Administration is turning the DHS into what the liberal left feared under Pres. Bush, a politically oriented Secret Police service. Yet most liberals don't seem to mind. They must like having a Gestapo-like organization at their beck and call.


The fact that nobody bothered to actually study the stimulus bills, but just ramrodded these giveaways through the congress and onto BHO's desk, is one of the reasons the stimulus isn't working. Money is going to many of the wrong places, and being wasted hand over fist. All this package will do is help bankrupt us and all future generations.




And yet, neither of these countries is doing much of anything to cut their carbon emissions. They don't want to hamper their economy.

I am unaware of any secret police that Obama established operating out of the DHS. I think this might be right wing paranoia.

The stimulus package is not perfect, but it was necessary, in my opinion. And, another stimulus package may be necessary as well because the economy is still bleeding jobs and the states are making massive budget cuts causing further slowing of the economy.

And, I don't want to be like China and India. Yes, they have higher economic growth rates, but they have massive pollution problems. Plus, their exports are slowing. They will have to bring up their own people in order to create markets to keep their economies going.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by sas-xd45

Kev:

This (bolded above) is awfully close to a personal attack!

-steve

Considering King followed him up with this

Originally Posted by KingArthur

You defended what you call loosely "thought" in your thread where you declared that Second Ammendment should be null and void for anyone who doesn't take a Kevy approved firearms course. And, BTW, Kevy, the First Ammendment applies as well. Profession doesn't prohbit free speech. I know you hate freedom and all, but everyone has the same Bill of Rights, even conservatives, plumbers, and LEO's. But, if we want to try to hurt each other professionally, I am certain I could contact medical board in your state and explain how mentally unstable you are.

I'd say you are correct, and that King, at least, perceived it to be a real world threat.
I guess that's why I followed both of these posts with

Originally Posted by AZXD

With fairness

I doubt King even reported this.

[HumbleGuy]

[quote=Etta Place;2016496]I believe that the country needs to do something about global warming. I just thought a straight carbon tax would have been better than this cap and trade thing, which makes the whole thing too complicated, in my opinion. SOMETHING has to be done though, in my opinion, just to show good faith to the rest of the world and to get people in this country to take the issue seriously. We blew a whole decade under Bush when the public was not educated about the issue. It was ignored. That's why there is greater resistance right now than there needed to be.[quote]

A couple points regarding the quote in bold:

Although you're convinced that 'climate change' is man made, many aren't. Regardless of who is right, the 'do something, even if it's wrong' approach will absolutely be disastrous (for national security and the economy) and will be ineffective in relieving the (questionable) problem.



Secondly, the U.S. needing to show 'good faith' to the rest of the world is one of the silliest, most wrong headed concepts I've heard on these boards.

Historically, The United States has done more good for other countries than any other country in the history of mankind. Currently, even with our economic troubles, our economy is the envy the world. In fact, it is the U.S. economic engine that has allowed the growth of the economies of China, India, etc. as we are the market to which they sell. Our soil and our technologies feed the world. We have military might that cannot be beaten in the field. We could go on and on...

The fact is that 100% of the the non U.S. world will not love and respect us. And while we, as a country, have pulled some bone headed foreign policy blunders in the last 65 years, we have been the most benign of superpowers. Helped billions more people than we have ever hurt. We have fought in two world wars, with our intervention being the determining factor against unimaginable oppression and suffering.

For some, simply our existence is enough to foment jealousy and hatred. Per unit of production we are the cleanest and safest country, ever. To the lesser countries we provide more aid and more security (with less expected in return) than any other nation, ever. I do not understand the self flagellation and loathing some Americans feel for having been gifted with the maginificent concept of freedom and virtue that is these United States.

Show good faith to the rest of the world? We have over 230 years of demonstable 'good faith'.

[Frenchy]

[quote=HumbleGuy;2017106][quote=Etta Place;2016496]I believe that the country needs to do something about global warming. I just thought a straight carbon tax would have been better than this cap and trade thing, which makes the whole thing too complicated, in my opinion. SOMETHING has to be done though, in my opinion, just to show good faith to the rest of the world and to get people in this country to take the issue seriously. We blew a whole decade under Bush when the public was not educated about the issue. It was ignored. That's why there is greater resistance right now than there needed to be.

A couple points regarding the quote in bold:

Although you're convinced that 'climate change' is man made, many aren't. Regardless of who is right, the 'do something, even if it's wrong' approach will absolutely be disastrous (for national security and the economy) and will be ineffective in relieving the (questionable) problem.



Secondly, the U.S. needing to show 'good faith' to the rest of the world is one of the silliest, most wrong headed concepts I've heard on these boards.

Historically, The United States has done more good for other countries than any other country in the history of mankind. Currently, even with our economic troubles, our economy is the envy the world. In fact, it is the U.S. economic engine that has allowed the growth of the economies of China, India, etc. as we are the market to which they sell. Our soil and our technologies feed the world. We have military might that cannot be beaten in the field. We could go on and on...

The fact is that 100% of the the non U.S. world will not love and respect us. And while we, as a country, have pulled some bone headed foreign policy blunders in the last 65 years, we have been the most benign of superpowers. Helped billions more people than we have ever hurt. We have fought in two world wars, with our intervention being the determining factor against unimaginable oppression and suffering.

For some, simply our existence is enough to foment jealousy and hatred. Per unit of production we are the cleanest and safest country, ever. To the lesser countries we provide more aid and more security (with less expected in return) than any other nation, ever. I do not understand the self flagellation and loathing some Americans feel for having been gifted with the maginificent concept of freedom and virtue that is these United States.

Show good faith to the rest of the world? We have over 230 years of demonstable 'good faith'.

Very good post, HG. We have spilt gallons of blood showing the world our good intentions.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by tooslim

"We want to get some understanding of the fundamental role of alcohol use and HIV risk," he said. "We use the population in China as our targeted population to look at the basic issues. I think the findings will benefit the American people, too."

This is exactly what I'm talking about. They're going to study the linkages between alchohol use and HIV and you frame it as "US funding prostitutes in China 2.6 million."

Your approach contributes to reasoned discourse, how?

More to the root of the problem is this. Government "needs a study" to determine that alcohol can increase promiscuity. That's not a waste of money right? Things like that are why people are upset. The rest is only about getting attention to BS like this.

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

The stimulus package is not perfect, but it was necessary, in my opinion. And, another stimulus package may be necessary as well because the economy is still bleeding jobs and the states are making massive budget cuts causing further slowing of the economy.

Necessary for what? The "stimulus" package is far from stimulating anything. I mean I could be completely wrong on this, but it seems to me that stimulus would imply rapidly injecting the funds into the economy to act as a catalyst to "stimulate" economic growth. With very little of the money actually being spent at this point, calling it a "stimulus" package is being less than honest. The whole damn damn thing is an earmark for funding future show projects that they can't otherwise find funds for in order to come out looking good come election time.

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by nickb

More to the root of the problem is this. Government "needs a study" to determine that alcohol can increase promiscuity. That's not a waste of money right? Things like that are why people are upset. The rest is only about getting attention to BS like this.

And to head off what I'm sure is coming next, yes, we who have a problem with things like this are aware that BS like this happened prior to 1/20/2009.

[HighNoon]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Does everyone know that a "Mac Daddy" is a pimp? And, not just an ordinary pimp, but the Big Kahuna pimp.

Honestly, no, I didn't know that. I just assumed it was derogatory. I also don't know if the long-legged part has a hidden meaning. Now, if he'd said Obama was a pimpin' president, that of course would have been a positive comment.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Palmguy

And to head off what I'm sure is coming next, yes, we who have a problem with things like this are aware that BS like this happened prior to 1/20/2009.

I'm not sure I follow?

Government does not and has not done anything well in my lifetime..... except as I've written many times here... they blow stuff up really well but spend 3 times what it should cost to do so.

My beef is this and remains... one side of the isle fully believes that government spending is the answer to everything yet they don't even understand where money comes from.

I don't care if you're an R, D, I or alien... if your first solution to a problem is government spending you're on the wrong track.