"White folks gonna riot and I don't blame 'em!"

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I don't know how "unite or die" applies to today's problems. Please explain.

I would have thought that the sentiment would be particularly salient with someone who voted for a "community organizer" to be president.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

first proof that obama said it.


Second it means nothing unless he acts on it. Just empty words.

I have not even seen obama so much as hint as a negative response to his rabid faithful, who want to lynch anyone who disagrees with him as a racist.

He appears completely fine with this going on.

To believe he wants to do away with affirmative action is crazy.

ACORN who he worked for, is basically affirmative action in voting. Not get out the vote cause voting is good and responsible. Its focused get out the urban black vote.

Obama is a racist.

His mother was a racist self loathing white.

He married a racist.

His pastor is a racist.

His white friends are self loathing whites.

You get a standing ovation!

Screw that long legged Mack Daddy!

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by DMWyatt

I would have thought that the sentiment would be particularly salient with someone who voted for a "community organizer" to be president.

Sorry. I don't get it. But, it's not that important. I don't think the phrase is on everyone's lips at the moment - and probably won't be anytime soon.

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Sorry. I don't get it. But, it's not that important. I don't think the phrase is on everyone's lips at the moment - and probably won't be anytime soon.

Careful... You might just get the hope and change you voted for, and wake up to face an America that's less than cordial about being on the receiving end of hope and change.

[tooslim]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

yes some things are simple.

OK Bill. Let me be upfront.

First. Where I'm from, you call a man a liar - it's personal.

Second. If you don't like what I write, you don't have to read it.

Third. What I do with my education and life is absolutely NONE of your affair.

Fourth. Every single post you've made has had the same characteristics

1. It's rude.
2. It's ill mannered.
3. It's profoundly anti-inlellectual.
4. It's ill informed.

I know precisely where I am. I know full well the audience here is not at all interested in hearing some, most, or all of what I've said. That's fine. I'm intereted in hearing what they have to say and whether they like it or not I think they need to hear what I have to say. Unlike you I do not believe that everything my opponents have to say is valueless. I have yet to call any of them a liar. In fact, as much a liberal as I am, I find they and I are in agreement on some important issues. We oppose traditional appraoches to affirmative action. We oppose traditional types of welfare. If you'd listen you might find that somewhere we agree. I am convinced, however, that you will not. Mores the pity, but I can live with that.

You know very little about me, yet your feel perfectly free to hurl insult after insult. OK by me. However, like the advice I gave you above, no one around here is going to force me to read them or, if I do to care about them. Adios, my ill-tempered friend.

salaam

[ID_ford_boy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Sorry. I don't get it. But, it's not that important. I don't think the phrase is on everyone's lips at the moment - and probably won't be anytime soon.

[ID_ford_boy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I don't know how "unite or die" applies to today's problems. Please explain.

[fmfdocglock]

Originally Posted by tooslim

Nothing is ever simple. Just as what you propose isn't. It's a platitude. I know, you have a PhD. From your screen name I can tell you are proud of that. You should be. They're damned hard to get. I worked my ass off for mine. I too, worked fulltime going to college and fulll time (and more) all the way through grad school. Good for you, good for me.

The problem is many of those guys and gals you grew up with who are now lost in the bottom of the economic barrel represent a lost resource. It's human capital - wasted. I've spent the last 25 years doing what I can to reverse that. Huge numbers of the kids I've worked with over the years have tremendous potential that for a whole host of reasons - some self fulfilling, others purely cirmcumstantial - are not being realized.

Maybe we don't owe it to them to do everything possible to convince them of what they can do and to help/cajole/harass/push them to comprehend their potential and make the most of it, maybe we do. However, I'm convinced we owe it to ourselves. As a people, a nation, we need to most from every resident - citizen or not - or we sink in the "formerly a great nation" status.

You're right. It's a long, hard road. It's expensive. It's also a road I'm convinced we have to walk and stay on. If it was easy there wouldn't be much in the way of satisfaction from succeeding. Much like the letters behind our names.

salaam

You are right about lost capital. And yes, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Many of us who have "made it" have not forgotten where we came from.

The last young lady (poor, black, from Pittsburgh) I mentored is now in a Ph.D. program. As are others who I have mentored in the past, some in MS programs, medical school, veterinary school, dental school.

Please do not feel like I am bragging, or expect any attention for it. In general, I very seldom mention mentoring needy students to others. I genuinely feel uncomfortable doing so, even here on this forum where it is anonymous.

From what I have seen, regardless or race, too many who grow up poor as I did will rely on a handout and feel entitled to it. Just like the kids I grew up with who are still in the old neighborhood.

A handout is much different than a helping hand, and the basic desire has to be there.

[thelongone13]

Originally Posted by fmfdocglock

You are right about lost capital. And yes, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Many of us who have "made it" have not forgotten where we came from.

The last young lady (poor, black, from Pittsburgh) I mentored is now in a Ph.D. program. As are others who I have mentored in the past, some in MS programs, medical school, veterinary school, dental school.

Please do not feel like I am bragging, or expect any attention for it. In general, I very seldom mention mentoring needy students to others. I genuinely feel uncomfortable doing so, even here on this forum where it is anonymous.

From what I have seen, regardless or race, too many who grow up poor as I did will rely on a handout and feel entitled to it. Just like the kids I grew up with who are still in the old neighborhood.

A handout is much different than a helping hand, and the basic desire has to be there.

I have seen SO much evidence to support this it's just nuts. The reason the ghettos stay that way is simply that. Handouts.

[HumbleGuy]

Originally Posted by thelongone13

I have seen SO much evidence to support this it's just nuts. The reason the ghettos stay that way is simply that. Handouts.

It's not just in ghettos. There is a huge self-perpetuating underclass that assume victimhood and subsequently expect their 'gimmes' from the government.

I have some inlaws who embody this mind set, although they are from Detroit and therefore expect their gimmes from the employers (distributed via unions). They are convinced someone, somewhere is getting something they aren't and, by god!, they want their share! In their minds, showing up for work is the same as earning their pay. They have zero concern for the success of the enterprise that pays them, and more importantly do not assume any responsibilty for their own well being should that enterprise not succeed (regardless of the reason). Why? Because they have a contract!

In short, they are satisfied to live a subsistence level life while damning the 'fat cats'.


Personally I find myself judging people as to whether they are a societal net-negative or a net-positive.

One more thing, being labeled a 'racist' has lost its sting. Overuse, you know. Call me what you want, I don't give a ____.

There is a huge multi-cultural middle class that has a line beyond which it will not be pushed. The latte sipping intellectuals who pontificate so eloquently must assume we are awed by their logic and higher moral purpose. The fact is we haven't quite been pushed to that line yet. But we are aware of where that line it, though. I think the dearth of ammo is a telling example.