"White folks gonna riot and I don't blame 'em!"

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by fmfdocglock

The question is, are Obama's policies racist? It may be indirect racism, but racism none the less.

Are the assets of white people being targeted for "redistribution"?

IMO, the answer is yes.

In the video the speaker was rightfully saying that white people, as a group, are being pushed too far, and being punished for their economic success.

Give the hand out crowd even more of the successfuls money? I grew up in poverty. I never spent a day of my life on welfare. Why should I be punished for that hard work? I have been successful because of my hard work, sweat, and sheer tenacity.

Who's getting your money now who wasn't getting it in 2007?

[ID_ford_boy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

The guy is a madman.

What does "unite or die" actually mean?

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by tooslim

Nothing is ever simple.

yes some things are simple.

1. Its easy to stay in school and coast and atleast get a HS diploma. That is infact easy. You are first and foremost wrong.

It only gets easier.

2. a)Not doing drugs is easier than doing drugs. Drugs cost money, i thought we were talking about po' folks, isnt money hard to come by, and in scare quantities?

2b) Sex? The act itself for a few mintues to a half hour is not difficult, but no sex is easier than sex. IUD is almost fool proof. Pills are subsidized, you can get them free, same with condoms. It takes about 5 seconds to put on a free condom, a kid can cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. Strike 2.

3. College says fmfdocglock. I say you need to aspire higher than minimum wage, hustling, or wellfare.

You need a trade. You need to be good at only one thing to make a good living, you can be a complete jackazz, and suck at most things, and if you are REALLY REALLY good at one thing, with only a hs diploma you can make 6 figures no problem.

Sales. Sky is the limit. One of my brothas buddies, his pops is a hillbilly, dirt flo' poe, tin roof red neck raised. He makes 1.5 million per year selling medical equipment. You do not need to be from a nice family to be liked, likeable, well spoken, read people, punctual, or hard working. Anyone who can speak can do this. Sky is the limit in sales.

skilled trades. You can get into a skilled trade like no one business easy as hell if you are black or female. If you are a black female fuuughetaboutit. You can be a milwright, a welder, a plumber electrical, etc and make as much as 150k per year with great bennies and great job security. You can get paid to go to school, get paid training, and have a job waiting for you.

Just be good at something ... making cakes, being server in a 5 star resturant, a waiter can make 100k. You dont need anything but a smile. You dont need a 5th grade education to do that. But you do have to be good at it.

There are HUDNREDS of jobs that pay in the high teens and low 20s per hour, that any kid from the hood can get with out a college degree.


4.) doc says work hard. Yes i agree. Anything that pays well is competitive. You or him or anyone being black doesnt help me sell more cars, or bake more cakes, or paint more houses, or weld more X. Your race doesnt help with that. Only the worker can do that.

5.) dont make excuses. Opps you fail tooslim. First thing ya did was start making a pile of excuses for why it cant and wont work, and isnt as easy as said.

Originally Posted by fmfdocglock

The solution is fairly simple.

1. Stay in school, study hard, get good grades.
2. Stay away from drugs and don't be a criminal. Don't get pregnant, or get a girl pregnant.
3. Get yourself into college. Go part time even if it takes you ten years to graduate.
4. Work hard at your job. Take every opportunity to advance your skills, and therefore your career.
5. Don't make excuses.

It is a long hard road.

In the neighborhood where I grew up, lower income, primarily white, many of the guys I grew up with are still there, work minimum wage jobs, have had problems with drugs and alcohol, been in and out of jail. The girls have gotten knocked up, and are on welfare, or married to one of the minimum wagers.

My brother in an engineer and I have a Ph.D.

Both of us wnet into the service. I had the old GI Bill, he had the newer version. We both worked and went to college after the service. I myself worked full time while going to college full time.

The solution is called work your ass off and quit making excuses.

REALLY SIMPLE.

Originally Posted by tooslim

Just as what you propose isn't. It's a platitude. I know, you have a PhD. From your screen name I can tell you are proud of that. You should be. They're damned hard to get. I worked my ass off for mine. I too, worked fulltime going to college and fulll time (and more) all the way through grad school. Good for you, good for me.

Jeeezus! YOU HAVE A FLIPPING DOCTORATE. Are they jsut giving them away. You clearly are not smart, maybe average at best. your critical thinking skills and deductive reasoning, blow. Your a wild radical hipocrite. You either forget what you just said, or have a wildly almost sociopathic level view of yourself that you think you wont be found out ... BUT ITS IN BLACK IN WHITE. If you have a doctorate, anyone can do it. This is a joke right? You meant to say you wish you had one? There is no way a healthy person can say the things you have in such a short time in this sub forum, then page by page, flip flop and contradict. Its sickening.

you do not need a phd to be successful, hell there are tons of wasteful Phds that are only good if you want to be a professor, or are going to college to get your MRS. degree.

Your purposely making it extra complicated to enrich yourself, and add cache and prestige and importance to what you do ... which is what exactly? Conselor, mentor, social worker?

Originally Posted by tooslim

The problem is many of those guys and gals you grew up with who are now lost in the bottom of the economic barrel represent a lost resource.

Maybe. But it’s arguably paradox. If you are lost you are not a resource. If lost is truly lost with no hope, no dreams, no aspirations … then what is the value there. Whats the resource? Consuming oxygen is not a resource.

Originally Posted by tooslim

It's human capital - wasted. I've spent the last 25 years doing what I can to reverse that. Huge numbers of the kids I've worked with over the years have tremendous potential that for a whole host of reasons - some self fulfilling, others purely cirmcumstantial - are not being realized.

Well I think most folks don’t reach their potential. They are afraid, and easy things are just easier. Its exponentially harder the further you go up the hill. Going up 1 or 2 notches to the middle class and riding that out for 40 years is allot easier than fighting the best of the best, and most determined and clawing your way to the top. Again, the folks are smarter, THEY REFUSE to give up, they work harder, longer, with long term plans and REFUSE to give up. Reaching potential isn’t doing good on a test or two, showing some state worker your smart, then having a job handed to your because your black or a female.

That’s like saying I pitched a perfect game in little league, and I should ride out that one feat to a major league contract or something. Who cares. If the kids you know cant sustain, they are not a resource.

Everyone cannot win. In order for success to exist, their has to be failure.

Originally Posted by tooslim

Maybe we don't owe it to them to do everything possible to convince them of what they can do and to help/cajole/harass/push them to comprehend their potential and make the most of it, maybe we do. However, I'm convinced we owe it to ourselves. As a people, a nation, we need to most from every resident - citizen or not - or we sink in the "formerly a great nation" status.

Good lord!

People need help to want to do good? Again, I suggest they are not a resource if they need that much convincing.

Owe it to ourselves? HUH? Is this some diversity communist crap thrown in for good measure? What the hell does that even mean.

You mean I owe it to them. Not we to us. You meant ME to THEM. I OWE THEM. You the conduit, so of course you are also owed … a job. Rolls eyes.

Citizne or not? C’MON! more globo communist sheet!
This makes no sense. You said us, illegals are not part of us, and they do not car about the status of our nation.

Originally Posted by tooslim

You're right. It's a long, hard road. It's expensive. It's also a road I'm convinced we have to walk and stay on. If it was easy there wouldn't be much in the way of satisfaction from succeeding. Much like the letters behind our names.

salaam

The fact you say you work with street kids and disadvantaged kids, you lost all credibility when you denied folks do not on a wide wide wide scale take well fare money and blow it IMMEDIATELY on drugs, hookers, and abortions.

You are a flat out liar. You either out and out lied for who knows what reason about even thinking that, or you lied about what you do. There is no way in hell you can do anything remotely close to what you say you do, and not know what the speaker in the video said was true.

Getting rid of the illegals would be a good step to getting back to a “formerly great nation”, since you don’t think we are great anymore.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

The guy is a madman.

What does "unite or die" actually mean?

Are you saying you failed economics and history ...

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by tooslim

Doc,

Sometime during the primaries in '08 Obama gave a speech on race. It was, I think, the best speech speech I've heard on that in decades. He openly acknowledged that white men have a legitimate problem with things like affirmative action. To be honest, a whole lot of other liberals do too, me for one. Same thing goes for welfare. Few to none of the liberals I know (again myself included) are at all in favor of handouts to those who refuse to work. Aff act and welfare are both are less than optimal solutions for intractible problems. How do we solve them?

Very good post.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

If you guys haven't noticed a huge underground economy already exploding, you are nuts. Working for cash, buying used and bartering are starting a radical comeback. I applaud it. Reminds me of my small country town, about 30 years ago. Farmer John wants to trade a side of beef and firewood for a carpentry job. I welcome it back.

[ID_ford_boy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Very good post.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Very good post.

first proof that obama said it.


Second it means nothing unless he acts on it. Just empty words.

I have not even seen obama so much as hint as a negative response to his rabid faithful, who want to lynch anyone who disagrees with him as a racist.

He appears completely fine with this going on.

To believe he wants to do away with affirmative action is crazy.

ACORN who he worked for, is basically affirmative action in voting. Not get out the vote cause voting is good and responsible. Its focused get out the urban black vote.

Obama is a racist.

His mother was a racist self loathing white.

He married a racist.

His pastor is a racist.

His white friends are self loathing whites.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Are you saying you failed economics and history ...

I don't know how "unite or die" applies to today's problems. Please explain.

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I don't know how "unite or die" applies to today's problems. Please explain.

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