Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

The Swedish system has declined over the years, but the system in the Netherlands has been consistently good, according to people who compare and rate the various health care systems in different countries.

Are any of these "people" those who actually use this system? Please provide backup for this claim.

[trik396]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Are any of these "people" those who actually use this system? Please provide backup for this claim.

you are asking a lot from her don't ya think? back up one of her claims??? that'd be a first.

[ryr8828]

Liberals just don't think right, there's no doubt about that.

They scream to be able to end an innocent unborn infant's life, and then scream when a convicted mass murderer is given the death penalty, or a newt is inconvenienced for a water project that would benefit thousands of people,

They worry more about saving a tree or a seal than a human fetus.

They think you can talk to a bully from a position of weakness and he will comply.

They think the government should be in charge and take care of everyone's needs although the history of humankind proves that this doesn't work.

They wish to take the greatest nation the world has ever known and make it a copy of lesser nations which have failed.

They think gun violence will end by taking guns away from law abiding citizens.

They cry about Fox News being biased yet claim that the New York Times and CBS and CNN are impartial.

They question John McCain's citizenship because he was born to a soldier on a foreign US military base yet when something is said about seeing a real birth certificate for Obama they go lalala nothing to see here let's move on.

They defend Clinton having sex repeatedly in the oval office yet show outrage when a Republican is caught having an affair.

They defend homosexuality yet giggle with glee and point fingers anytime a Republican is outed as being gay.

They claim a governor of a state doesn't have enough experience to be vice president, yet rave on about the qualifications for President of a senator who hadn't even finished one term and has never had a real job.

They say that Obama's ties to felon Rezko, domestic terrorist Ayers, Daley, Emil Jones, his studying of Saul Alinsky don't mean anything, then post an article about Sarah Palin's daugher's boyfriend's mother like it's damning evidence.

They praise single mothers yet damn Bristol Palin and try to make her out to be a whore.

They priase half white Obama as a huge step towards racial equality, yet villify and try to ruin the reputations of Clarence Thomas, Condeleeza Rice, and Alan Keyes.

They ruin Trent Lott over one sentence yet support former KKK leader Robert Byrd.

They support war when a democrat wages it yet decry it as terrible and proclaim the war lost when a Republican wages it.

Then my favorite, they come here and claim to own guns and support gun ownership, yet vote and campaign for the biggest gun grabber in the history of US politics.

It's all about power, they want it, and are incapable of being ashamed of their hypocrisy no matter how huge it is. It's either that or they are completely clueless, I believe it's a little of both.

[Frenchy]

Then my favorite, they come here and claim to own guns and support gun ownership, yet vote and campaign for the biggest gun grabber in the history of US politics.

Don't forget Reagan and the Brady Bill...Just thought I would throw that one in!

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by trik396

you are asking a lot from her don't ya think? back up one of her claims??? that'd be a first.

Ehhh, ever the optimist and all that I guess. One of these times........

[AZXD]

the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

It's hard to argue with the truth !!!

I guess that's why there is so much diversion within this thread, by the "clinically mad".

[Brickboy240]

My Swedish cousins actually laugh when I tell them that some in the USA are wishing for their govt. run healthcare system. You have to understand Swedes - they're not known for having a sense of humor. God knows I got my sense of humor from my Irish Dad....NOT my Swedish mother's family. So for them to laugh out loud at this...you know its a crazy idea!

I also have a brother in law that grew up in Brisbane, Australia. He also says NOTHING good about the Aussie system and thinks the US going to a similar plan is totally nuts.

So there is my frame of reference on govt run healthcare: several direct relatives that actually LIVED under these types of systems. Not some writer from God knows where, going on about how wonderful some foreign system is. You don't know how much the guy was paid to wax glowingly about the Dutch healthcare system, either.

Don't waste our time with digging up "puff pieces" about European healthcare systems. They don't mean diddly squat unless you KNOW the person and KNOW that they lived under the system and actually liked it. I have yet to meet any European that lived under one of these plans and liked it. I have asked European ex-pats that live in Texas from the following countries: France, England, Sweden, Belguim and Bulgaria. None of them were longing for Euro govt run healthcare in the USA and many hoped they never saw such a system ever again.

- brickboy240

[tooslim]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

None of them were longing for Euro govt run healthcare in the USA and many hoped they never saw such a system ever again.

- brickboy240

I'm curious. Are they employeed? Does their job come with health care benefits?

For me personally, in my own little self centered world, our health care system is fine. I pay my co-pay and see a doctor when I need to. My deductibles are lowish - life is good. If you ask my wife's uncle you might get a different story. At 60 he lost his job, and picked up one as a janitor (no benefits) and then at 62 was diagnosed with esphogeal cancer. Buying his own insurance on his salary was out of the question. He doesn't qualify for medicade or medicare. So what is he to do? Die. Like so many things, were you stand depends on where you sit.

My principal problem with conservative politics is that it's a politics of selfishness. The sad thing is that not all conservatives are mean spirited. I firmly believe we live in the best country on earth. I also firmly believe that we can do much better than we are now.

[LittleDave]

Originally Posted by tooslim

My principal problem with conservative politics is that it's a politics of selfishness. The sad thing is that not all conservatives are mean spirited. I firmly believe we live in the best country on earth. I also firmly believe that we can do much better than we are now.

Conservative politics.....

Ever listen to conservative plans for healthcare? Everyone should have the same access to healthcare no matter where you work. Individuals should be able to get healthcare on their own as they could through their employer.

Your uncle wouldn't have lost his health plan when he lost his job. Companies shouldn't get any breaks to provide insurance, individuals shouldn't be taxed on the money they pay for insurance. You should be able to get policies just to cover unlikely event of stuff like finding out you have cancer, or needing a new kidney.

It's not selfish.

[tooslim]

Originally Posted by LittleDave

Conservative politics.....

Ever listen to conservative plans for healthcare? Everyone should have the same access to healthcare no matter where you work. Individuals should be able to get healthcare on their own as they could through their employer.

Your uncle wouldn't have lost his health plan when he lost his job. Companies shouldn't get any breaks to provide insurance, individuals shouldn't be taxed on the money they pay for insurance. You should be able to get policies just to cover unlikely event of stuff like finding out you have cancer, or needing a new kidney.

It's not selfish.

So you're going to come up with a plan that the person working for 20k a year can afford? The problem with the catasrophic care option you guys seem so fond of is it ignores the wellness component. Will your plan take into account the need for preventative care so that people will not have to wait until they're gravely ill to see a doctor?

Sure, if they pay more. But what if they can't afford it? They're back into holding off seeing a physician until they're really ill and will need much more expensive care than they would have if they'd gone earlier.

This is were the selfishness is self defeating. It's like the old Fram commercials - pay a little now - pay a lot later. By doing things on the cheap at the front end, you/we pay a lot more at the back end.

Theres a difference between self interest and "enlightened" self interest that is lost on some in the conservative movement