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Old 07-01-2009, 05:45 PM   #31
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OK, let's look at some simple facts. Liberals demonize Conservatives. Conservatives demonize Liberals. We're never going to agree on much of anything. If a liberal is in office, anything said liberal does is wrong to conservatives (so I've noticed with Clinton and Obama). When a conservative is in office, anything said conservative does will be wrong to the liberals. As a general rule, all right OR left wing EXTREMISTS are nuts. You know what, scratch that, all extremists are nuts. Someone claiming to be a respected psychiatrist should know DAMN well that you can't just classify one whole group of millions of people as insane. I'm sure there are liberal shrinks that say the same for Conservatives. Face it, everyone's nuts to somebody.
Probably the first time I've agreed with something you've said.

We are a divided nation and you are correct that the conservative and liberal ways do not intermingle well. Here's what I propose. If you are a liberal you must associate with liberals and obide by liberal laws. If you are conservative, the same goes but in conservative manners. We could have two court systems, two governments, etc. The liberals will be happy to pay more taxes for their social programs for their fellow liberals and the conservatives will not. You can add on all our differences, ie, gun control, abortion rights, etc. and it applies to you only as your side sees fit. And we will all live happily in our little divided nation.

(I'm being sarcastic for the most part but after reading it again.... maybe it just might work!)
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:44 PM   #32
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Probably the first time I've agreed with something you've said.

We are a divided nation and you are correct that the conservative and liberal ways do not intermingle well. Here's what I propose. If you are a liberal you must associate with liberals and obide by liberal laws. If you are conservative, the same goes but in conservative manners. We could have two court systems, two governments, etc. The liberals will be happy to pay more taxes for their social programs for their fellow liberals and the conservatives will not. You can add on all our differences, ie, gun control, abortion rights, etc. and it applies to you only as your side sees fit. And we will all live happily in our little divided nation.

(I'm being sarcastic for the most part but after reading it again.... maybe it just might work!)
We do this, and the Conservatives will divide into 2 segments, as will the Liberals. Then we would need to divide yet again. It's a good idea in theory, but in reality it would never work.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:20 PM   #33
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Agreed. I am a liberal, but lib extremists (commonly known as "hippies" or "yuppies") annoy the crap out of me. Conservative extremists annoy me more, but not by too much.
From what I've read of your posts in her, I don't think you're a liberal. Just because you didn't like GWB doesn't make you a liberal, many conservatives didn't really like him either.

Why do you think you're a liberal?
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From what I've read of your posts in her, I don't think you're a liberal. Just because you didn't like GWB doesn't make you a liberal, many conservatives didn't really like him either.

Why do you think you're a liberal?
Aside from my views on guns (not extreme right, but fairly right), but since I support things like a national healthcare plan, I'm pro choice, a lot of different things of the like. I do support the death penalty because some people deserve to die. Some say I'm a moderate, some say I'm more liberal. I've said it before with shame: I used to be anti-gun. I used to think Republicans were simply evil (not meant as a personal attack, just what I thought at the time). Only once or twice have I ever voted Republican, and that was for County Executive for Milwaukee County, only because Scott Walker actually DID things he promised he would, which I never see. My dad falls into the (WAY) above $250,000 a year category and supports being taxed more so that people like me are taxed less. I think unions have served there time. I like Mocha Lattes and wireless internet. There's an iPod in my house. I support gay marriage. Truth is, on most issues, I tend to side with the left. But when it comes down to it, I decide these things on my own, not by being told by anyone what to think. I'm very open minded and very opinionated. Always have been, always will be. You sir, have a sharp eye to be able to tell I don't simply float along blindly on one side of the spectrum.
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Aside from my views on guns (not extreme right, but fairly right), but since I support things like a national healthcare plan, I'm pro choice, a lot of different things of the like. I do support the death penalty because some people deserve to die. Some say I'm a moderate, some say I'm more liberal. I've said it before with shame: I used to be anti-gun. I used to think Republicans were simply evil (not meant as a personal attack, just what I thought at the time). Only once or twice have I ever voted Republican, and that was for County Executive for Milwaukee County, only because Scott Walker actually DID things he promised he would, which I never see. My dad falls into the (WAY) above $250,000 a year category and supports being taxed more so that people like me are taxed less. I think unions have served there time. I like Mocha Lattes and wireless internet. There's an iPod in my house. I support gay marriage. Truth is, on most issues, I tend to side with the left. But when it comes down to it, I decide these things on my own, not by being told by anyone what to think. I'm very open minded and very opinionated. Always have been, always will be. You sir, have a sharp eye to be able to tell I don't simply float along blindly on one side of the spectrum.
Now I see... You're liberal for Wisconsin but if you moved to Chicago you be stone-cold conservative. Seriously you don't sound liberal to me much at all.

And let me guess... you are Dutch and your dad's a cheese magnate?
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Now I see... You're liberal for Wisconsin but if you moved to Chicago you be stone-cold conservative. Seriously you don't sound liberal to me much at all.

And let me guess... you are Dutch and your dad's a cheese magnate?
Well, depends on what the audience is in Chicago. Sure, there's some freaky types there that are all Vegan and PETA and Green Machine and "make love not war" (I believe in peace, but making millions of babies isn't gonna really accomplish much), but I think I'd stack up in Chicago as a moderate, maybe slightly left.

Not quite. I'm Polish (Mom's side), Norwegian, and German. My dad is an attorney in the Chicago area, where I grew up. If he was a cheese magnate, I think I'd weigh 1400 lbs....
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Aside from my views on guns (not extreme right, but fairly right), but since I support things like a national healthcare plan, I'm pro choice, a lot of different things of the like. I do support the death penalty because some people deserve to die. Some say I'm a moderate, some say I'm more liberal. I've said it before with shame: I used to be anti-gun. I used to think Republicans were simply evil (not meant as a personal attack, just what I thought at the time). Only once or twice have I ever voted Republican, and that was for County Executive for Milwaukee County, only because Scott Walker actually DID things he promised he would, which I never see. My dad falls into the (WAY) above $250,000 a year category and supports being taxed more so that people like me are taxed less. I think unions have served there time. I like Mocha Lattes and wireless internet. There's an iPod in my house. I support gay marriage. Truth is, on most issues, I tend to side with the left. But when it comes down to it, I decide these things on my own, not by being told by anyone what to think. I'm very open minded and very opinionated. Always have been, always will be. You sir, have a sharp eye to be able to tell I don't simply float along blindly on one side of the spectrum.
But you understand that corporations don't pay taxes, that they pass them to the consumer. I think you are open minded, but 1 question left.

Who do you trust more to be able to efficiently allocate resources and quickly use information to be more productive. Private sector or government?
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What really shocks me is the good Dr. who wrote this received his degrees from the University of Chicago. The U of C is possibly one of the finest educational institutions in the world. I believe they have the most Nobel prize winning professors teaching there compared to any other university. And the University of Chicago is the MOST liberal institution that happens to reside in Hyde Park which is the most LIBERAL neighborhood in the very liberal city of Chicago. (where the Obama's reside also)

It amazes me that the good Dr. got out of there with a conservative view point. Must be a very smart, strong willed person.

The economics department at the University of Chicago isn't that liberal. Milton Friedman came from there, as did the "Chicago Boys," the Chilean economists who helped Chilean dictator, Augusto Pinochet, enact shock therapy on the Chilean economy.
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I would not look to ANY South American govt. as an economic model to be admired or revered.

That would be like loking at the East German Trabant as to how to make automobiles.

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