More Spying on you

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

George Bush: "Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

Is he following his own protocol in these matters?

Where were you when Clinton and Gore started Project Echelon?



Tom

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Waldo

No they won't.

The US government is asking for the records of all searches made within a 1 week period and 1 million random web addresses.

The US government is not asking for any information that suggest who searched for anything.

The government can ask WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, and WHERE, here is what they want...

WHO- they dont care, and havent asked for that information

WHAT- 1 million random web addresses, and records of searches

WHEN- the records within any 1 week period

WHERE- From google, other web services have felt there is no need not to give your information out


Bottom line, they want to see what is searched for, not who searches for it.

I don't consider this as "giving up my freedom". We seem to go through great lengths to tie the hands of law enforcement and then ***** that they let criminals go.

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

Where were you when Clinton and Gore started Project Echelon?



Tom

Well, thank you for clearing this up, Tom. CLINTON did it too....therefore it's OK with you that President Bush is authorizing government operatives to spy on you. As long as CLINTON did it, you don't mind. You, sir, can cower before the monster of terrorism and piss away your individual rights if you think that makes you safer.

Or perhaps the point you are making here is that CLINTON was bad, and Bush is worse.

And in case you didn't know, Project Echelon is for monitoring worldwide satellite communications, not wire-tapping U.S. citizens.

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

Well, thank you for clearing this up, Tom. CLINTON did it too....therefore it's OK with you that President Bush is authorizing government operatives to spy on you. As long as CLINTON did it, you don't mind. You, sir, can cower before the monster of terrorism and piss away your individual rights if you think that makes you safer.

Or perhaps the point you are making here is that CLINTON was bad, and Bush is worse.

And in case you didn't know, Project Echelon is for monitoring worldwide satellite communications, not wire-tapping U.S. citizens.

Oooops. Project Echelon also captures telephone calls, faxes and e-mails.

The point is...apparently, no one's rights have been violated.

Tom

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

The point is...apparently, no one's rights have been violated.

Let's hope you are right, Tom. I choose to remain vigilant.

Originally Posted by George Bush

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

This statement may come back to haunt the coke-head. He has all but admitted that he is proceeding without judicial oversight.

[Mike TRT]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

There is no giving up some of your freedom without the risk of giving up all your freedom. Do we really want that? NO!

every amendment is/was a change to the constitution.......

some "freedoms" have been given up and for good reason over the years..... ie: not every POS has the "right" to possess firearms, as the founding fathers stated. thats a good change, and nobody is coming for your "guns"...........

and for the security and safety of our nation, more freedoms will be infringed, but if your not some POS, you'll never notice the changes, so relax.....

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

Let's hope you are right, Tom. I choose to remain vigilant.

This statement may come back to haunt the coke-head. He has all but admitted that he is proceeding without judicial oversight.

And he has that right, per Article II, section 2 of the Constitution.

Tom

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

And he has that right, per Article II, section 2 of the Constitution.

Tom

So you disagree with the President when he says he must have a court order before initiating a wire tap?

[Waldo]

Every post in this thread seems to forget the point of why they are asking. They want to use this to show that child porn is searched for and looked at to support their case.


They arent looking at WHO is searching for these things.


How is the government invading your privacy if they dont know who you are, where you are from?

They know nothing about the people who make the searches, only that they were made.

[Waldo]

San Jose Mercury news is reporting that MS and Yahoo complied with the governments requests and gave no information about individuals out.