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one-eyed-fatman · 01-03-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

No, I must admit, I don't really see what's so funny about you asking for and then entirely disregarding material. Do you have some issue with "cut and paste," or is there some other magical way I could have supplied the article for you to read?

Why not just admit that you are not interested in facts, and that it doesn't matter what anyone says, because you are committed to an ideology that demands that a free market cannot work, and therefore any positive news about the economy must be lies?

Someone here doesn't get it, but it's not me. What's ironic is that if you lived in a country that followed your economic ideology consistantly, you wouldn't have the personal wealth to own a personal computer, much less pay for an internet connection, unless you were a high-ranking government official. What you spend your time criticizing is the very thing that allows you the forum in which you speak.

Bottom line: throughout history, it has been repeatedly shown that the most effective way to reward hard work and penalize laziness, and in doing so maintain a fair distribution of wealth, is the free market. Anything else is just a willful denial of historical evidence.

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Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

mgeoffriau you don't get it do you? It was never about the grammer. Some of the people here don't believe half the American sources and then you come up with British cut and paste. Thanks for the laugh. That was great.

Your an exact duplicate of funnygun. Even when you get it you just don't get it.

Waldo · 01-03-2006, 10:43 AM

She forgot to mention in our article that we are the only nation who's poor have color televisions, telephones, and food.

I have been in the ghettos of Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, etc etc. I have been in many homes in these areas.

For the most part they are nice people who love to cook breakfast for me (black women can cook one hell of a breakfast) but they own things that would make you say "WTF?"

Once we built steps for a lady so she wouldnt have to jump 3 feet off of her house onto the ground, she needed steps to fill her 3 foot gap. It was a simple build, we used regular pressure treated lumber. She couldnt afford it, we were doing charity work.

Her son sat inside with his air jordan shoes playing playstation 2 (which I didnt have) on a very nice color tv.

Poor depends on your definition. On a worldly scale there arent to many poor people in America.

Brickboy240 · 01-03-2006, 10:55 AM

Waldo,

You left out the part about the poorest of the poor not paying any income taxes at all in the evil ol' USA. Yep, according to the IRS's own information, the bottom 25% of all wage earners in the USA pays no income taxes at all. Our poor are more wealthy than most country's middle class by quite a good margin. The left can bitch about tax cuts not helping the poor, but the truth is that the poorest of the poor are NOT PAYING any taxes to start out with. Are they ignorant of this or just hoping their readership is too stupid to know the difference? I dunno.

Actually, after reading this poor woman's article again, I don't see how someone with that dim of a view on life, can muster up the energy to even get out of bed in the morning. How does she do it? I mean, with the deck completely syacked against her and all of the gloom and doom in her life....what motivates her to even leave the house every morning? I am surprised she has not committed suicide...according to this woman...theres no reason for any of us to carry on.

Boo hoo.

- Brickboy240

Son of Norway · 01-03-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Waldo,

You left out the part about the poorest of the poor not paying any income taxes at all in the evil ol' USA. Yep, according to the IRS's own information, the bottom 25% of all wage earners in the USA pays no income taxes at all.

That is a sobering statistic. One out of every four wage earners does not make enough money to be taxed. I don't look at this as a windfall of good fortune for these wage earners. I think it shows a shift in our economy to low paying service sector jobs that produce nothing. Our economy was strongest when it was manufacturing based. Now we manufacture a fraction of the goods we used to.

And look who's been paying attention and learning:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...ess/chicon.php

Sending jobs overseas is bad for the U.S. My 2c's

mgeoffriau · 01-03-2006, 12:22 PM

Huh.

I wonder why 1 out of 4 wage earners doesn't make very much money.

I guess it's probably racism, or agism, or greedy corporate bosses, or maybe their mommies didn't love them.

**einheit 13** · 01-03-2006, 01:16 PM

In Ohio, Governor Taft led a trade mission to Japan and Taiwan in 2004 to bring foreign investment to that state. According to the Business Journal of Youngstown, Taft expects this to yield $154 Million in new foreign investment on top of $473 Million through previous trips and efforts. To date, Taft projected 1,395 new jobs have been added through these efforts.

What is the result? In Central Ohio, according the Greater Columbus Chamber of Commerce there are over 100 foreign industrial companies feeding the nearby Honda manufacturing facility and competing with other American-owned industry. The industrial job base in Central Ohio is nearly completely dependent on continued goodwill of these foreign employers. The majority of American-owned "industry" in Central Ohio is distribution and warehouse facilities to store and forward goods made by foreign companies or their US subsidiaries.

Central Ohio has no assurance from these foreign controlled industrial facilities that profits, knowledge gained, or taxes will stay in the area.

For example, Honda ships in volumes of components and parts from overseas and then exports soybeans back to Japan in those same containers in record amounts according to Forbes. A definition of "banana republic" includes a country importing a majority of finished goods and exporting mostly raw resources.

Foreign industry has effectively colonized Central Ohio and the Governor has led 6 "trade missions" to try and encourage this.

Today, General Motors has a market capitalization of almost $14 Billion. Toyota Motor Company has a market cap almost 10x of that and has almost $20 Billion in cash and 1/4 of the debt of General Motors. Toyota could gain control of over 50% of General Motors for approximately 1/3 of the cash Toyota has in its bank account today. If we were in a military war, this would be considered an extremely vulnerable position.

NewXD40fun · 01-03-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by einheit 13

In Ohio, Governor Taft led a trade mission to Japan and Taiwan in 2004 to bring foreign investment to that state. According to the Business Journal of Youngstown, Taft expects this to yield $154 Million in new foreign investment on top of $473 Million through previous trips and efforts. To date, Taft projected 1,395 new jobs have been added through these efforts.

What is the result? In Central Ohio, according the Greater Columbus Chamber of Commerce there are over 100 foreign industrial companies feeding the nearby Honda manufacturing facility and competing with other American-owned industry. The industrial job base in Central Ohio is nearly completely dependent on continued goodwill of these foreign employers. The majority of American-owned "industry" in Central Ohio is distribution and warehouse facilities to store and forward goods made by foreign companies or their US subsidiaries.

Central Ohio has no assurance from these foreign controlled industrial facilities that profits, knowledge gained, or taxes will stay in the area.

For example, Honda ships in volumes of components and parts from overseas and then exports soybeans back to Japan in those same containers in record amounts according to Forbes. A definition of "banana republic" includes a country importing a majority of finished goods and exporting mostly raw resources.

Foreign industry has effectively colonized Central Ohio and the Governor has led 6 "trade missions" to try and encourage this.

Today, General Motors has a market capitalization of almost $14 Billion. Toyota Motor Company has a market cap almost 10x of that and has almost $20 Billion in cash and 1/4 of the debt of General Motors. Toyota could gain control of over 50% of General Motors for approximately 1/3 of the cash Toyota has in its bank account today. If we were in a military war, this would be considered an extremely vulnerable position.

When Ohio Democrat Dick Celeste won the Governor's race in 1982 he paid off the labor unions who supported him by turning over all of the State workers to the labor unions. He then raised our income taxes to pay for the big raises and benefit increases the workers were given. But we the taxpayers received no increase in services and were saddled with more taxes which lowered our standard of living.

Ever since then big Industries in Ohio have been driven out by the powerful labor unions and high taxes on corporations.

We are lucky to have foreign investment in Ohio.

Tom

**einheit 13** · 01-03-2006, 02:00 PM

No your not. Your construction companies are faltering. Danis Environmental is gone by the wayside. Smoot Construction is still hanging in thier though. Don't blame it on the unions, blame it on the politicians, both partys. Most of your construction workers are union there anyway and have always prospered. Danis went weast of the Mississippi for the first time in 2000 and couldn't get "qualified" help to man the job. There for they offered a pretty much "name your price" hiring base and guess what?? Now they are gone. Smoot hires exclusivly from union halls, even here in a right to work state.
I really wish you'd stop with the blanket statements on unions, they are not the same. And besides, you yankees started them and now look what its doing to yall....just like in the government, too many DFOs.

Mike TRT · 01-03-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Waldo,

You left out the part about the poorest of the poor not paying any income taxes at all in the evil ol' USA. Yep, according to the IRS's own information, the bottom 25% of all wage earners in the USA pays no income taxes at all. Our poor are more wealthy than most country's middle class by quite a good margin. The left can bitch about tax cuts not helping the poor, but the truth is that the poorest of the poor are NOT PAYING any taxes to start out with. Are they ignorant of this or just hoping their readership is too stupid to know the difference? I dunno.

Actually, after reading this poor woman's article again, I don't see how someone with that dim of a view on life, can muster up the energy to even get out of bed in the morning. How does she do it? I mean, with the deck completely syacked against her and all of the gloom and doom in her life....what motivates her to even leave the house every morning? I am surprised she has not committed suicide...according to this woman...theres no reason for any of us to carry on.

Boo hoo.

- Brickboy240

our poorest are generally poor by choice, but like said above, define poor! I work a ton of hours for decent pay, part of my insurance is picked up but I pay a big chunk of it, I pay for my house, my food, my kids education (grammer school) because I cant put him in public school here with the savages........my free time is limited (time=money) and I get nothing free or discounted.

now, take our welfare system......work part time for a little spending cash, collect welfare (more free time on their hands) get free housing (section

, food stamps, free health insurance, more money for spitting out more kiddies, and get to live like an animal, free transportation to free schools in good neighborhoods....... now, who the fk is poorer? I think I am......

there is no incentive for these people to come off welfare, theres no time limit to get their **** straight, get a job, get an education.......or get the fk out..... this is one thing that really gets me....... I have no care or feelings for these people that feel no need to change or make something of their lives.....let them all kill each other, and dont dare call the police, because you arent gonna get a bit of service or sympathy from me.....their victims of their own making, tough cookies.......they are breeding their kids into being the same, generation after generation........welfare was to help those in need for a period of time, now its a way of life....

whose poor? I am, I have to make my own way thru life and drag the dead weight along with me !!

**einheit 13** · 01-03-2006, 06:59 PM

AAHHHH< WELFARE> Keeping the lazy employed since 1925....

01-03-2006, 10:43 AM	#42
Waldo XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 1,160	She forgot to mention in our article that we are the only nation who's poor have color televisions, telephones, and food. I have been in the ghettos of Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, etc etc. I have been in many homes in these areas. For the most part they are nice people who love to cook breakfast for me (black women can cook one hell of a breakfast) but they own things that would make you say "WTF?" Once we built steps for a lady so she wouldnt have to jump 3 feet off of her house onto the ground, she needed steps to fill her 3 foot gap. It was a simple build, we used regular pressure treated lumber. She couldnt afford it, we were doing charity work. Her son sat inside with his air jordan shoes playing playstation 2 (which I didnt have) on a very nice color tv. Poor depends on your definition. On a worldly scale there arent to many poor people in America. __________________ I.C.E. Hotline 866-347-2423 Toll free call to report illegal immigrants

01-03-2006, 10:55 AM	#43
Brickboy240 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 8,333	Waldo, You left out the part about the poorest of the poor not paying any income taxes at all in the evil ol' USA. Yep, according to the IRS's own information, the bottom 25% of all wage earners in the USA pays no income taxes at all. Our poor are more wealthy than most country's middle class by quite a good margin. The left can bitch about tax cuts not helping the poor, but the truth is that the poorest of the poor are NOT PAYING any taxes to start out with. Are they ignorant of this or just hoping their readership is too stupid to know the difference? I dunno. Actually, after reading this poor woman's article again, I don't see how someone with that dim of a view on life, can muster up the energy to even get out of bed in the morning. How does she do it? I mean, with the deck completely syacked against her and all of the gloom and doom in her life....what motivates her to even leave the house every morning? I am surprised she has not committed suicide...according to this woman...theres no reason for any of us to carry on. Boo hoo. - Brickboy240 __________________ NOBAMA 2008...neo-Marxism is a very poor substitute for pretend conservatism! Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

01-03-2006, 01:16 PM	#46
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,327	In Ohio, Governor Taft led a trade mission to Japan and Taiwan in 2004 to bring foreign investment to that state. According to the Business Journal of Youngstown, Taft expects this to yield $154 Million in new foreign investment on top of $473 Million through previous trips and efforts. To date, Taft projected 1,395 new jobs have been added through these efforts. What is the result? In Central Ohio, according the Greater Columbus Chamber of Commerce there are over 100 foreign industrial companies feeding the nearby Honda manufacturing facility and competing with other American-owned industry. The industrial job base in Central Ohio is nearly completely dependent on continued goodwill of these foreign employers. The majority of American-owned "industry" in Central Ohio is distribution and warehouse facilities to store and forward goods made by foreign companies or their US subsidiaries. Central Ohio has no assurance from these foreign controlled industrial facilities that profits, knowledge gained, or taxes will stay in the area. For example, Honda ships in volumes of components and parts from overseas and then exports soybeans back to Japan in those same containers in record amounts according to Forbes. A definition of "banana republic" includes a country importing a majority of finished goods and exporting mostly raw resources. Foreign industry has effectively colonized Central Ohio and the Governor has led 6 "trade missions" to try and encourage this. Today, General Motors has a market capitalization of almost $14 Billion. Toyota Motor Company has a market cap almost 10x of that and has almost $20 Billion in cash and 1/4 of the debt of General Motors. Toyota could gain control of over 50% of General Motors for approximately 1/3 of the cash Toyota has in its bank account today. If we were in a military war, this would be considered an extremely vulnerable position. __________________ Wer nicht zweifeln kann, ist ein dummer mann! (He who cannot doubt, is a stupid man!) “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.”

01-03-2006, 02:00 PM	#48
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,327	No your not. Your construction companies are faltering. Danis Environmental is gone by the wayside. Smoot Construction is still hanging in thier though. Don't blame it on the unions, blame it on the politicians, both partys. Most of your construction workers are union there anyway and have always prospered. Danis went weast of the Mississippi for the first time in 2000 and couldn't get "qualified" help to man the job. There for they offered a pretty much "name your price" hiring base and guess what?? Now they are gone. Smoot hires exclusivly from union halls, even here in a right to work state. I really wish you'd stop with the blanket statements on unions, they are not the same. And besides, you yankees started them and now look what its doing to yall....just like in the government, too many DFOs. __________________ Wer nicht zweifeln kann, ist ein dummer mann! (He who cannot doubt, is a stupid man!) “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.”

01-03-2006, 06:59 PM	#50
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,327	AAHHHH< WELFARE> Keeping the lazy employed since 1925.... __________________ Wer nicht zweifeln kann, ist ein dummer mann! (He who cannot doubt, is a stupid man!) “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.”

01-03-2006, 12:22 PM	#45
mgeoffriau XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 974	Huh. I wonder why 1 out of 4 wage earners doesn't make very much money. I guess it's probably racism, or agism, or greedy corporate bosses, or maybe their mommies didn't love them.

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