American's like intercepting phone calls

[one-eyed-fatman]

Remember 9/11.

Yes I remember 9/11. I remember a couple of presidents who refused to take out Osama Bin Laden when they had the chance (numerous times). I remember our intelligence agencies refusing to cooperate with each other and not passing on information to each other because they have big heads. I remember foreigners taking flight lessons because it was good for business. I remember foreigners taking over large aircraft because it was easy to do with simple tools. I remember thousands of American people dying because our government didn't do it's job. And I remember our own government trying to scare us to death by portraying the boy who cried wolf so we wouldn't blame them for their own stupidity. Ya, I remember 9/11.

[Mike TRT]

wow....

for all those against the "spying".....do you think the gov has any ANY interest in listening in on you or your families? are you engaged in any satelite calls to the middle east or western africa? probably not, so whatever it takes to get the job done.....and now we'll hear the arguement "where does it stop"..?? once this problem is over with, the Gov will wanna listen in on all of us ....... aint gonna happen, they dont give a crap about some guy in some city thats a working guy supporting a family....a regular American.....and yes there are American citizens that are "regular" and those that totally despise this country and are only here for the freedoms and money they can make....Ive been detached to the Gov and have to deal with these "people" flying in and out smuggling cash to Jordan, Yemen, Israel (palestinian parts) etc etc.....Ive probably interviewed 100's after they get caught (love that patriot act 31USC5332) and these people HATE HATE HATE us......the pure evil in their eyes sitting across an interview table is unmistakeable....and these arent even the true bad guys.......they are the money men supporting Islamic Jihad, Al Queda, PLO etc etc...... trust me when I say this, there is more going on out there every day than the cable news tells you about......these seizures are an almost daily thing and thats just Chicago.....the only time you hear anything is when some dong on the FBI no fly list gets his feelings hurt.......too bad...then CNN cries of the unjustice.......

when I hear "regular" Americans whine about the poor bad guys getting a hard time (locked up in Cuba, not allowed to enter the USA, having the illegal money forfeited, phone calls investigated when their citizenship has been obtained questionably, etc, etc) I feel like these "regular" Americans think we deserved 9/11..........if thats the case, pack up, move out, become a follower of the Jihad and go eat dirt and live in a cave somewhere.....nobody will listen to your telephone calls, nobody will try to protect you or your camels, and you can become a Martyr for some BS beliefs...........

what happened to all those American flags that were flying a couple years ago? and congress holding hands and singing? please......for the dems and libs, its all forgotten and its a damn shame......

whew, Im done

[einheit 13]

what happened to all those American flags that were flying a couple years ago?

I turned it upside down and put the Stars and Bars above it........

[NewXD40fun]

Originally Posted by Mike TRT

wow....

for all those against the "spying".....do you think the gov has any ANY interest in listening in on you or your families? are you engaged in any satelite calls to the middle east or western africa? probably not, so whatever it takes to get the job done.....and now we'll hear the arguement "where does it stop"..?? once this problem is over with, the Gov will wanna listen in on all of us ....... aint gonna happen, they dont give a crap about some guy in some city thats a working guy supporting a family....a regular American.....and yes there are American citizens that are "regular" and those that totally despise this country and are only here for the freedoms and money they can make....Ive been detached to the Gov and have to deal with these "people" flying in and out smuggling cash to Jordan, Yemen, Israel (palestinian parts) etc etc.....Ive probably interviewed 100's after they get caught (love that patriot act 31USC5332) and these people HATE HATE HATE us......the pure evil in their eyes sitting across an interview table is unmistakeable....and these arent even the true bad guys.......they are the money men supporting Islamic Jihad, Al Queda, PLO etc etc...... trust me when I say this, there is more going on out there every day than the cable news tells you about......these seizures are an almost daily thing and thats just Chicago.....the only time you hear anything is when some dong on the FBI no fly list gets his feelings hurt.......too bad...then CNN cries of the unjustice.......

when I hear "regular" Americans whine about the poor bad guys getting a hard time (locked up in Cuba, not allowed to enter the USA, having the illegal money forfeited, phone calls investigated when their citizenship has been obtained questionably, etc, etc) I feel like these "regular" Americans think we deserved 9/11..........if thats the case, pack up, move out, become a follower of the Jihad and go eat dirt and live in a cave somewhere.....nobody will listen to your telephone calls, nobody will try to protect you or your camels, and you can become a Martyr for some BS beliefs...........

what happened to all those American flags that were flying a couple years ago? and congress holding hands and singing? please......for the dems and libs, its all forgotten and its a damn shame......

whew, Im done

Thanks for the peek into what's going on Mike.

I'm convinced that besides Liberals who hate anything the President does, most people who are against the Patriot Act suffer from anxiety because of guilty consciences.

Like you suggested, they feel so guilty that they think the government is interested in their miniscule illegal activities, like stealing software, illegal music downloading, etc.
And then there are the whacko subversives who consider themselves super-Patriots – they hate everything related to government, but live here anyway enjoying the prosperity of this country but spewing hatred at our flag, our fighting troops and system of government. I hope the government is spying on these cowards.




Tom

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

The right to keep and bear arms......

haha

That reminds me of when Ann Coulter said something to the effect of..

"Who would hijack airplanes if we handed out handguns at the gates?"

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

Yes I remember 9/11. I remember a couple of presidents who refused to take out Osama Bin Laden when they had the chance (numerous times). I remember our intelligence agencies refusing to cooperate with each other and not passing on information to each other because they have big heads. I remember foreigners taking flight lessons because it was good for business. I remember foreigners taking over large aircraft because it was easy to do with simple tools. I remember thousands of American people dying because our government didn't do it's job. And I remember our own government trying to scare us to death by portraying the boy who cried wolf so we wouldn't blame them for their own stupidity. Ya, I remember 9/11.

I remember a 9/11 that wouldnt have happend if the Patriot Act had been enacted in 1985. It would have saved us alot of trouble.

I heard someone on the news giving the government **** the other day because after the Oklahoma City bombing the Feds used satellites to spy on a few religious fanatics in Oklahoma.

Who are they kidding? We should have been spying on them BEFORE the bombing!

Sometimes hindsight isnt 20/20, like right now.

[mengelmar]

Ya know from my point of view our positions are really not that different. I totally support the efforts of our government to keep us safe, I also believe that the key to our security lies with the general population simply because the Feds and military can't be everywhere all the time. I support an armed populace, I support concealed/unconcealed carry measures everywhere in this country.

My specific problem with this instance is that the mechanism for attaining court review of these types of wire taps has been in place for a long time yet they were completely ignored. That system exists to prevent the gathering of information for political purposes on non-threatening citizens. I'm not saying that Bush would use this system to monitor the activities of say moveon.org founders or even congressional opponents, I don't think he would. BUT what about the next president? Look at how Clinton abused his access to FBI files to silence some political opponents! My point is that abuses of power do happen and the court reviews exist to help prevent such abuse.

[mengelmar]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

...b]rights are more important than life.[/b]






Tom

Actually Tom I believe that rights are more important than life, why else have so many real Americans laid down their lives in wars since 1775? I know you'll take the statement above and twist it around so that I'm saying that we should give terrorist free reign over us or that I like what happened on 9/11 or something equally outrageous. I hope that most of the members on this board will see the true meaning of what I'm stating despite my inability to explain it well.

[NewXD40fun]

And now its time for the traitors in the NSA and CIA and FBI who leak sensitive national security secrets to the Liberal Press to be exposed.

It’s hard to believe so many American bureaucrats with guaranteed government jobs for life would jeopardize national security for political gain (like liar Joe Wilson).

Maybe this will help.

Justice Dept. Investigating Leak of NSA Wiretapping
Probe Seeks Source Of Classified Data
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, December 31, 2005

The Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into recent disclosures about a controversial domestic eavesdropping program that was secretly authorized by President Bush after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, officials said yesterday.

Federal prosecutors will focus their examination on who may have unlawfully disclosed classified information about the program to the New York Times, which reported two weeks ago that Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the international telephone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens and residents without court-approved warrants, officials said.

The Justice Department's decision to reveal the opening of a criminal investigation is rare, particularly given the highly classified nature of the probe. White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy told reporters in Crawford, Tex., yesterday that the department "undertook this action on its own" and that Bush had only learned about it from senior staff earlier in the day.

But Duffy reiterated earlier statements by Bush, who had sharply condemned the disclosure of the NSA program and argued that it seriously damaged national security.

"The fact is that al Qaeda's playbook is not printed on Page One, and when America's is, it has serious ramifications," Duffy said, reading from prepared remarks. "You don't need to be Sun Tzu to understand that," he added, referring to the ancient Chinese general who wrote "The Art of War."

Leak investigations generally begin with a referral to the Justice Department by the agency in question -- in this case the NSA -- which prompts a preliminary inquiry by prosecutors to determine whether a crime has been committed. The opening of a criminal investigation signals that prosecutors believe that laws barring disclosure of classified information by government officials were broken. It is likely to be a full-blown probe involving FBI agents and department investigators.

The case is the latest in a series of clashes between the Fourth Estate and the Bush administration, which has aggressively enforced restrictions on classified information and has frequently complained about press disclosures related to terrorism or the war in Iraq.

Earlier this year, a grand jury investigation by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald into the disclosure of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity resulted in the jailing of Judith Miller, then a reporter at the New York Times, for refusing to testify, and in criminal charges against I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who resigned as Vice President Cheney's chief of staff. That probe is ongoing.

In another recent case, the CIA general counsel's office notified the Justice Department in November that classified information had been disclosed in a report by The Washington Post on the existence of secret "black site" prisons in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. Department officials declined to comment yesterday on whether that referral has also led to a full criminal probe.

News of the domestic spying program by the NSA, which is normally restricted to eavesdropping overseas, set off a firestorm of criticism from lawmakers and civil liberties advocates and contributed to the administration's failure to persuade Congress to pass a renewed version of the USA Patriot Act anti-terrorism law. The GOP chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to hold hearings on the NSA program, and some other Republicans have demanded a congressional probe into the leak.

The spying program also angered judges on a special court that administers the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which governs clandestine surveillance within the United States and which requires warrants for secret searches and wiretaps. One of the panel's members, U.S. District Judge James Robertson, submitted his resignation from the secret court in protest, according to sources familiar with his decision.

Soon after the story broke Dec. 15 in the online edition of the New York Times, Bush and other administration officials took the unusual step of publicly acknowledging the program's existence, describing details of its operation and arguing that the initiative was legal and necessary in a time of war. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said the program "is probably the most highly classified program that exists in the United States government."

The Times said it held the story for a year after the administration argued that its disclosure would harm national security. The published story relied on "nearly a dozen current and former officials," the newspaper said. Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis declined to comment on the Justice Department probe yesterday.

Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, a journalism advocacy group, said the leak probe underscores the need for a federal "shield law" to protect reporters' sources. She and other observers also said that the NSA case appears to be less controversial, from a journalistic point of view, than the Plame case, which involves journalists attempting to protect sources allegedly engaged in political attacks.

"It doesn't seem to me that this leak investigation will take on the importance of the Plame case," said Carl W. Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond. "The bigger story here is still the one about domestic spying and whether the president intends, as he said, to continue doing it."

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has argued that a special prosecutor should be appointed to determine whether Bush violated federal wiretapping laws, called the leak probe an unwarranted attack on whistle-blowers.

"Attorney General Gonzales is cracking down on critics of his friend and boss," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ail/components


Awwww the liberal extremist ACLU is upset….


The Bush Justice Department which had done such a great job on prosecuting corporate fraud should now focus on the lawbreakers in the NSA and New York Times.


Tom

[bd]

Originally Posted by NewXD40fun

And now its time for the traitors in the NSA and CIA and FBI who leak sensitive national security secrets to the Liberal Press to be exposed.

It’s hard to believe so many American bureaucrats with guaranteed government jobs for life would jeopardize national security for political gain (like liar Joe Wilson).

Maybe this will help.

Justice Dept. Investigating Leak of NSA Wiretapping
Probe Seeks Source Of Classified Data
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, December 31, 2005

The Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into recent disclosures about a controversial domestic eavesdropping program that was secretly authorized by President Bush after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, officials said yesterday.

Federal prosecutors will focus their examination on who may have unlawfully disclosed classified information about the program to the New York Times, which reported two weeks ago that Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the international telephone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens and residents without court-approved warrants, officials said.

The Justice Department's decision to reveal the opening of a criminal investigation is rare, particularly given the highly classified nature of the probe. White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy told reporters in Crawford, Tex., yesterday that the department "undertook this action on its own" and that Bush had only learned about it from senior staff earlier in the day.

But Duffy reiterated earlier statements by Bush, who had sharply condemned the disclosure of the NSA program and argued that it seriously damaged national security.

"The fact is that al Qaeda's playbook is not printed on Page One, and when America's is, it has serious ramifications," Duffy said, reading from prepared remarks. "You don't need to be Sun Tzu to understand that," he added, referring to the ancient Chinese general who wrote "The Art of War."

Leak investigations generally begin with a referral to the Justice Department by the agency in question -- in this case the NSA -- which prompts a preliminary inquiry by prosecutors to determine whether a crime has been committed. The opening of a criminal investigation signals that prosecutors believe that laws barring disclosure of classified information by government officials were broken. It is likely to be a full-blown probe involving FBI agents and department investigators.

The case is the latest in a series of clashes between the Fourth Estate and the Bush administration, which has aggressively enforced restrictions on classified information and has frequently complained about press disclosures related to terrorism or the war in Iraq.

Earlier this year, a grand jury investigation by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald into the disclosure of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity resulted in the jailing of Judith Miller, then a reporter at the New York Times, for refusing to testify, and in criminal charges against I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who resigned as Vice President Cheney's chief of staff. That probe is ongoing.

In another recent case, the CIA general counsel's office notified the Justice Department in November that classified information had been disclosed in a report by The Washington Post on the existence of secret "black site" prisons in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. Department officials declined to comment yesterday on whether that referral has also led to a full criminal probe.

News of the domestic spying program by the NSA, which is normally restricted to eavesdropping overseas, set off a firestorm of criticism from lawmakers and civil liberties advocates and contributed to the administration's failure to persuade Congress to pass a renewed version of the USA Patriot Act anti-terrorism law. The GOP chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee has vowed to hold hearings on the NSA program, and some other Republicans have demanded a congressional probe into the leak.

The spying program also angered judges on a special court that administers the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which governs clandestine surveillance within the United States and which requires warrants for secret searches and wiretaps. One of the panel's members, U.S. District Judge James Robertson, submitted his resignation from the secret court in protest, according to sources familiar with his decision.

Soon after the story broke Dec. 15 in the online edition of the New York Times, Bush and other administration officials took the unusual step of publicly acknowledging the program's existence, describing details of its operation and arguing that the initiative was legal and necessary in a time of war. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said the program "is probably the most highly classified program that exists in the United States government."

The Times said it held the story for a year after the administration argued that its disclosure would harm national security. The published story relied on "nearly a dozen current and former officials," the newspaper said. Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis declined to comment on the Justice Department probe yesterday.

Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, a journalism advocacy group, said the leak probe underscores the need for a federal "shield law" to protect reporters' sources. She and other observers also said that the NSA case appears to be less controversial, from a journalistic point of view, than the Plame case, which involves journalists attempting to protect sources allegedly engaged in political attacks.

"It doesn't seem to me that this leak investigation will take on the importance of the Plame case," said Carl W. Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond. "The bigger story here is still the one about domestic spying and whether the president intends, as he said, to continue doing it."

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has argued that a special prosecutor should be appointed to determine whether Bush violated federal wiretapping laws, called the leak probe an unwarranted attack on whistle-blowers.

"Attorney General Gonzales is cracking down on critics of his friend and boss," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ail/components


Awwww the liberal extremist ACLU is upset….


The Bush Justice Department which had done such a great job on prosecuting corporate fraud should now focus on the lawbreakers in the NSA and New York Times.


Tom

Congress will be investigating the illegal wiretapping that violates the Constitutional rights of United States' citizens and the Justice Department will be investigating the patriot whistleblower that brought these illegalites to light.

It's the same ol' same ol' when this administrayion gets caught with its hand in the cookie jar they try to create another crisis to divert public attention.

I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't start have terror alerts again soon. We haven't had one since before election 2004. I guess there wasn't a need for alerts after the election was won. It's amazing they suddenly stopped after election day in 2004.

bd