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Review on Trijicon TA33 R8 and Aimpoint T1
Old 11-24-2009, 09:15 PM   #1
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Review on Trijicon TA33 R8 and Aimpoint T1

Hi I had to sell a scope and 1 AR, 1 SKS and 1 Beretta Shotgun to afford this new set up.

I saw some pics on M4 carbine with an Aimpoint T1 in an Offset mount next to an Acog. I thought I would try the TA33 model that my friend at my shooting club was raving about. Its a compact model and only weighs 7 ounces. The Aimpoint only weighs 4.5 ounces. Not sure how much the Larue mounts add but this rifle still feels very light.




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One thing I liked about the ACOG was it had long eye relief and it was actually easy to use the Bindon Point Aiming Concept with it. With most ACOGs I have tried in the past they seemed slower but this one was easy to track with both eyes open.

Down sides to the optic was the very very tiny reticle. I could barely see the 4 in the bullet drop reticle and then only if I held it up against a white wall. One other down side that has to do with all ACOGS in general is as the sun went down the reticle got hard to see. I was sighting the rifle in during the rain and I was also losing sun light fast. I had to finish by holding my surefire light up next to the fiber optic tube so the reticle would be more easy to see. I could see it under normal illumination but it was very dim. I was shooting from inside a shoot house at our range which was darker than the all ready twilight outside. The groups were surprisingly good despite my difficulty seeing. Everything was going wrong. My breath was fogging up my glasses and I had rain on my glasses did not help (from when I went out to change the target).

But I got it sighted in at 100 yards. I will take it out again later in better weather and put it through some paces. I like the optic but I feel I should have gotten a more powerful model for this set up. Perhaps a TA 31F. I think this optic would be great on its own and the Aimpoint almost seemed un necessary. But I need to shoot it more to find out.

The Aimpoint T1 was very easy to pick up by just canting the rifle to the side every so slightly. I sighted it in at 50 yards with no problems. Even in the failing light it was easy to see as its battery powered. That is one reason I can see to keep the Aimpoint on this rifle. Not just for close range but also for failing light situations. The gun weighs next to nothing even with both optics. I am very pleased with the T1 and will be buying more in the future as I need red dot sights. I just wish it had flip up blizzard caps.

I will update with more info in the future when I get time to fire the rifle more. But my initial impression of the canted red dot to a magnified optic system is very positive.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:15 PM   #2
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UPDATE

Well updated range report. I went back to the range today earlier in the day so I would have more daylight. The day started out not too bad with only light snow. I shot a few groups and found out the the Zero from the night before was about 5 inches high. I think me using my flashlight to lite the reticle must have caused it to bloom too much and hence caused me to shoot higher. I was very happy with the way the TA33 shot today. I was able to get groups around 1.25 inches consistently. It was far easier to get good groups with than my Aimpoint with the 3X magnifer behind it. This had to do with my astigmatism and the dot in the Aimpoint looks more like a diagonal foot ball.

Here are some photos of the range conditions and the targets I shot with the Acog to start it all off.







After shooting some groups I burnt some ammo shooting some qualification courses.

The course is simple
Stage 1
100 yards starting from prone or rested (not off bags or bi pod but using the bench like it was a car hood or other cover) fire 3 rounds in 6 seconds to center mass.

Stage 2

50 yards. From low ready fire 3 rounds to center mass from standing in 8 seconds.

Stage 3
25 yards. (set gun up with partial mag no more than 4 rounds) start from low ready and fire 6 rounds in 10 seconds. You will have to perform a mandatory run dry reload.

Stage 4.

15 yards. Start with the rifle slung and shoot 3 rounds standing and 3 rounds kneeling in 10 seconds.

Stage 5.

Start in the low ready at the 10 yard line. At the buzzer fire 6 rounds while advancing on the target in 5 seconds prior to reaching the 5 yard line. All shots must be made while moving.

Stage 5.
Fail to stop drill at 5 yards

Start in the low ready and fire 2 to the chest and 1 to the head in 2 seconds. Repeat once

Its a 30 round course of fire. Its fairly easy but a fun skills test to put the rifle through its paces.

Scoring is as follows.

Over time shots -5
A zone 5 points
B zone 4 points except on stage 5 where its worth 1 point.
C zone 4 points
D zone 1 point

Max score possible 150.

Here is what the target looks like.



I shot two qualifications with the rifle and I shot a 148 each time.

OBSERVATIONS:

I used the TA33 at 100 yards, 50 yards and at 25 yards. It was easy to make good hits with. It was fast and precise for me. Better than my Aimpoint M4 with the 3x magnifier.

I used the T1 Aimpoint at 15 yards, 10 yard moving drill and for the failure drills at the end. The T1 is wicked fast. I really liked it. With my Vltor stock it was easy to start with the rifle in low ready already canted. It seemed nature to shoot it this way and my times on the failure drill were fast. One was .90 for all three shots. The average was 1.20

The two points I dropped where while moving and shooting.

After I was done with the qualifications I had about 15 rounds or ammo left. I decided to shoot failure drills with the remaining ammo. I found the T1 very fast and easy to use.

CONCLUSION:

This system is superior in my opinion to my Aimpoint with 3x magnifier in a flip mount system. I also think its superior in some ways to my Swarovski 1-6 power scope. The main reason there being its lighter and all I have to do to switch optics is cant the gun slightly. With the Swarovski to switch power levels you must manipulate the adjustment ring. Even with the cat tail this takes longer.

I feel that a T1 set up like this in conjunction with a ACOG or similar longer range optic is a great system and in my opinion at this moment is the best option in solving the old problem of which optic is best overall for short and medium range shooting.
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:42 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reviews, Pat. Very informative and helpful. And excellent shooting you have done there.

Beautiful area you live in. I would love to make it up to Alaska eventually.
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Old 11-25-2009, 01:55 AM   #4
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Yea I love it up here even thought we have hardly any daylight right now. The summer makes up for it.
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I took the day off and went to the range with a buddy. I wanted to put this optic combination through more paces with multiple targets.

Ok I did some more work with my TA33 and T1 Aimpoint today.

I placed 3 USPSA targets down range. 1 target was 4 yards to my left and 10 yards down range. The second target was 45 yards right in front of me. The third target was 5 yards to my right and 32 yards down range. On the buzzer from a low ready position I fired 2 rounds using the Aimpoint into target 1 then I used the Acog on the remaining 2 targets. I did this 6 times. (30 rounds fired) and then I went down and added up the points.

Then my friend shot the same courts with my gun. Then we did it again. So we each did this drill 10 times.

Here are my run times from the first 5

1. 5.17
2. 4.53
3. 5.10
4. 4.23
5. 4.80

When I added up the targets this is what I had.
Target one had 9 Alphas and 1 Charlie.
Target two had 7 Alphas 1 Charlie and 2 Deltas
Target three had 5 Alphas and 5 Charlies.

My total points using a minor power factor scoring (5 for A’s, 3 for C’s and 1 for D’s)
Was 128
Total time was 23.83

My hit factor (points divided by time) was 5.371

My friend who is usually a better shooter then me had these results.

1. 5.41
2. 5.59
3. 5.80
4. 6.35
5. 5.07
Target 1 9 Alpha 1 Charlie
Target 2 10 Alpha
Target 3 3 Alpha 4 Charlie 3 Delta

Total points for Scott was also 128.
Total time was 28.22
His hit factor was 4.53

I got him on the first round.


2nd string.

Me
1. 5.55
2. 6.01
3. 4.82
4. 5.15
5. 4.32

Targets
T1 9A 1C
T2 8A 2 C
T3 3A 2C 1D 2 M (misses Ouch)

Total points with penalties

96 (those misses killed me) Got sloppy on the second string.
Total time was 25.85
Hit factor was 3.71

Scotts results for the second string

1. 4.87
2. 4.99
3. 5.61
4. 5.71
5. 4.88
T1 10 A
T2 8A 2C
T3 8A 2C

Total points 142
Total time was 26.06

Hit factor 5.44

Both strings combined

Pat Hit factor 4.5
Scott Hit factor 4.97

Impressions. It was very easy to switch between the Aimpint and the Acog when going from a close target to a longer target. My friend really liked the set up and picked it up fast. Jerk beat me with my own gun.

We did the same drill with his three gun set up.




He took the bi pod off before we began shooting.


Scott string 1
1. 5.94
2. 6.84
3. 5.89
4. 7.70
5. 5.60

Total Time 31.97
Total points on target 140
Hit factor 4.379

Me

1. 7.32
2. 7.84
3. 5.96
4. 5.96
5. 6.06
Total time 27.18
Total points 138
Hit factor 5.07

String 2

Scott
1. 6.72
2. 5.97
3. 7.03
4. 5.39
5. 5.48
Total time 30.59
Total points 136
Hit factor 4.44

Me string 2 ( I could only due to runs because his rifle malfunctioned twice in a row with Tango Down ARC mags. The bolt would not push the round into the chamber. I have had issues with these mags in other guns before. They are just range mags now.

1. 5.79
2. 5.26
3. 5.58
4. 6.30

Total time 22.93
Total points 108
Hit factor 4.70

Both strings combined hit factor

Scott 4.385
Me 4.885

So he beat me with my own gun and I beat him with his own gun.

Observations.
The light carbine with the Acog’s lit reticle definitely did better on this course than did his heavier rifle with his scope set at 2.5 and using his side sights on the first target. I would have liked to have shot more but its winter in Alaska and it gets dark soon. Plus we have had about 2 feet of snow in the last few days and then rain so it was a pain in the arse to walk down range. Hence why I did not shoot this drill with a 100 yard target. We did shoot two qualifications with my rifle. I dropped 6 points and he dropped 10.

The more I shoot my set up (Acog and AImpoint) the more I like it.
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love ur posts! they r always filled with detailed description and lots of photos!
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I liked this optic set up I made it my patrol rifle and put my Colt on back up duty.
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Some videos of me shooting it.
Earlier Videos.
Me with Noveske using Aimpoint
YouTube - Noveske N4 Light Carbine with AImpoint T1 in Larue Off Set mount
Me with Noveske using Acog
YouTube - Noveske N4 Light Carbine with Trijicon TA33 R-8

12-8-09 videos.
S13 firing my Noveske with Irons.
YouTube - Karl N4 Irons.AVI
S13 with the Aimpoint
YouTube - Karl T1 Aimpoint.AVI
S13 with Acog
YouTube - Karl TA 33 ACOG.AVI


Me with Noveske using Irons.
YouTube - Pat N4 Irons.AVI
Me with Noveske using Aimpoint T1
YouTube - Pat N4 Aimpoint.AVI
Me with Noveske using Acog
YouTube - Pat N4 TA33 Acog.AVI
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One small update. I found the TA 33's eye relief a tad short for where I had it mounted on my gun. So I removed the Troy BUIS and moved it all the way back. It works better for me now. I figure I don't need a BUIS since I have 2 optics on the gun.


Did some range work with it today.
(three shots for sighting in only. )


I zeroed the ACOG at 50 instead of 100 to help off set the slightly greater drop from 75 grain TAP my duty ammo.






Some videos of me shooting this set up on some cqb drills.

YouTube - NOveske N4 Light Carbine 12-26-09

Older video before I moved the buis off the gun using just the ACOG in this drill.
YouTube - Pat N4 TA33 Acog.AVI
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