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paintballwannab · 05-25-2008, 12:15 AM

I don't think thats covered under warranty.....on the bore site or the barrel lol.

Bree · 05-25-2008, 09:15 PM

I think it is real and I think it happened. Plug the barrel and what do you expect to happen? The overpressurization happens in a minute fraction of a second and the barrel is toast or it will pop the breech... something has to give. I say no BS on this one.

digitalexplr · 05-25-2008, 10:01 PM

This is staged. The way a rifle barrel is constructed would preclude it peeling like a banana. That is a cartoon myth.

Also interesting how there is no reference to where or when this actually occured. Typical Internet creative story. Can't be verified, but looks believeable enough folks are willing to take it at face value.

Bree · 05-25-2008, 11:22 PM

Looks like it was real.

The Gun Zone -- Catastrophic Rifle Failure

The Gun Zone -- Cause of the Catastrophic Rifle Failure

paintballwannab · 05-25-2008, 11:46 PM

Thats insane that something that little could cause that much damage.

paintballwannab · 05-25-2008, 11:51 PM

BTW similar things have been done with the XD

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The XD came out a little better though.

**Samf** · 05-26-2008, 04:47 AM

It wasn't that episode, but they used the exact picture as in that link when they tested it. Only "insert name of old school barrels that I can't recall the name of that should not be fired any more because of their construction" would produce anything like that on the show.

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didnt myth busters do something about how guns dont actualy banana peel like that?

Annotated Mythbusters: Episode 43: Seasickness Cures, Finger in the Gun Barrel, Tailgate Gas Efficiency

Bree · 05-26-2008, 08:38 AM

The fact that mythbusters put a squib in and failed to "peel" the barrel by no means proves that a barrel won't peel. It depends on the barrel, the nature of the obstruction, the type of ammo, the powder etc. What you see in these PIX is definitely real and has happened to others. It happens to handguns as well maybe without the barrel peeling but certainly with explosion of the chamber and receiver. We have had threads on this system showing exploded Glocks and other guns.

Bottom line DO NOT OBSTRUCT the barrel in any way or bad things might happen.

dutchmaster151 · 05-26-2008, 11:23 AM

Something makes me think that if a barrel were to fail under extreme pressure, it wouldn't fail so uniformily, peeling back like that. My dad's friend fired a 50 cal muzzel loader and forgot to take the loading rod out of the barrel and it was completely fine other than a walloping amount of recoil.

Also on one of the shows on the outdoor channel one or two wednesday's ago, there was a test that took a bennili m4 shotgun, and put a 20ga shell in a 12 ga gun first, followed by a 12 ga shell. When fired, both rounds detonated inside the barrel , with no damage done to the gun at all.

I don't see how a small lazer that is not forced into the end of the barrel would be enough to make an airtight seal that would allow enough pressure to build up to cause a failure like that.

Kaboom · 05-26-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bree

Looks like it was real.

The Gun Zone -- Catastrophic Rifle Failure

The Gun Zone -- Cause of the Catastrophic Rifle Failure

No, it was fake.
It would have split along the weakest parts of the barrel probobly along the rifeling not just in uniform straight lines, and why is the barrel so freakin clean???
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05-25-2008, 12:15 AM	#21
paintballwannab XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 380	I don't think thats covered under warranty.....on the bore site or the barrel lol.
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Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,769 Blog Entries: 5	I think it is real and I think it happened. Plug the barrel and what do you expect to happen? The overpressurization happens in a minute fraction of a second and the barrel is toast or it will pop the breech... something has to give. I say no BS on this one. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! Life is Good. Life is Great! Get your Guns Now, Before it's Too Late!
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digitalexplr XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 918	This is staged. The way a rifle barrel is constructed would preclude it peeling like a banana. That is a cartoon myth. Also interesting how there is no reference to where or when this actually occured. Typical Internet creative story. Can't be verified, but looks believeable enough folks are willing to take it at face value. __________________ XD9sc XD40 Service Mossberg 590a1 NRA Life Member
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Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,769 Blog Entries: 5	Looks like it was real. The Gun Zone -- Catastrophic Rifle Failure The Gun Zone -- Cause of the Catastrophic Rifle Failure __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! Life is Good. Life is Great! Get your Guns Now, Before it's Too Late!
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05-25-2008, 11:46 PM	#25
paintballwannab XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 380	Thats insane that something that little could cause that much damage.
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05-26-2008, 08:38 AM	#28
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,769 Blog Entries: 5	The fact that mythbusters put a squib in and failed to "peel" the barrel by no means proves that a barrel won't peel. It depends on the barrel, the nature of the obstruction, the type of ammo, the powder etc. What you see in these PIX is definitely real and has happened to others. It happens to handguns as well maybe without the barrel peeling but certainly with explosion of the chamber and receiver. We have had threads on this system showing exploded Glocks and other guns. Bottom line DO NOT OBSTRUCT the barrel in any way or bad things might happen. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! Life is Good. Life is Great! Get your Guns Now, Before it's Too Late!
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05-26-2008, 11:23 AM	#29
dutchmaster151 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 973 NJ Posts: 117	Something makes me think that if a barrel were to fail under extreme pressure, it wouldn't fail so uniformily, peeling back like that. My dad's friend fired a 50 cal muzzel loader and forgot to take the loading rod out of the barrel and it was completely fine other than a walloping amount of recoil. Also on one of the shows on the outdoor channel one or two wednesday's ago, there was a test that took a bennili m4 shotgun, and put a 20ga shell in a 12 ga gun first, followed by a 12 ga shell. When fired, both rounds detonated inside the barrel , with no damage done to the gun at all. I don't see how a small lazer that is not forced into the end of the barrel would be enough to make an airtight seal that would allow enough pressure to build up to cause a failure like that. __________________ "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson XD-45 Service w/ TLR-2 Glock 17 Remington 870 TAC Desert Recon 12 ga Remington 870 Express Magnum 20ga Last edited by dutchmaster151; 05-26-2008 at 11:26 AM.
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