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Reeek · 10-12-2007, 11:21 AM

I have guns with both so I know where I lean but I was wondering what the basic arguments are between each method.

I'm leaning toward wanting to carry cocked and locked so I'm leaning toward the manual safety.

Is a decocker's only real value in the safety factor? My CZ P-01 has a decocker. My Taurus PT145 can be cocked and locked.

I don't have any experience with CCW with either yet because my permit is due any day but it's not here yet.

I'm asking because I want a full size all metal .45 but probably not a 1911 so I'm really looking to get a CZ 97 B but a Sig 220 (I'd likley get the Carry DA/SA or SAO model in Sig) is possible too. The CZ 97 B is due to come out with a decocker model after the new year but I'm thinking I may just want the manual safety model now.

Thoughts?

**KingAirDriver** · 10-12-2007, 11:24 AM

If you didn't specify that you wanted an all metal gun, then I'd point you to an HK USP/USP Compact. DA/SA, safety and decock, but you can carry it C&L!

Reeek · 10-12-2007, 11:31 AM

That's pretty cool to have both. I'm really Polymer'ed out though. 3 of my 4 guns are poly guns right now

[TASF]Maverick · 10-13-2007, 06:31 PM

If you don't want to fumble with a manual safety, carry on DA.

If you don't want the heavy, long trigger pull of DA and what the same pull on every shot, get something with a manual safety where you can carry cocked and locked.

If all your after is a consistent pull of the trigger, but also don't want to hassle with a manual safety, Glock, XD, HK, Sig, etc, etc all have options out there for you.

I'm scratching my head about why your criteria automatically scratches a polymer pistol out of the equation... but hey, to each his own.

I love the ability to decock and engage the safety on my USP when it's sitting in the safe or in a hiking pack.

Reeek · 10-13-2007, 06:37 PM

[quote='[TASF]Maverick;742475']I'm scratching my head about why your criteria automatically scratches a polymer pistol out of the equation... but hey, to each his own.
quote]

Only because I already have 3 poly guns out of the 4 I own. My CZ is, as you probably know, an alloy frame. I want a full sized all steel gun next. That's all.

**KingAirDriver** · 10-13-2007, 08:15 PM

If you're dead set on steel and prefer C&L carry, then I'd go with a CZ or a 1911...even though you said probably not a 1911. I really don't like carrying a DA/SA firearm that has been decocked to a DA pull...I want my first shot to hit the mark, and I have yet to fire a DA where I'm as accurate as a SA pull! C&L is wonderful! Such bliss!!

Bilt4Comfort · 10-13-2007, 08:25 PM

The CZ 97 is quite a heavy piece to carry much. The trigger on mine is pretty smooth though in DA. I do not have a holster for it yet, but if I were to carry it...I would opt for half cocked hammer safety and DA pull. The CZ will not let you engage the manual safety unless it's fully cocked. You can't even engage the safety with the hammer down. The DA pull is really similar to my Smith 642.

robinsre · 10-13-2007, 08:29 PM

All depends. I like both for different reasons.

Manual safeties are good for single action only triggers (like the 1911) a sharp crisp trigger pull on a single action trigger can't be beat, but a manual safety can be accidentally bumped/flipped off (has happened once or twice on my 1911, the backstrap safety and good trigger control prevented a tragedy.

Decockers are good for double action triggers. That long trigger pull takes longer to get used to, but I consider it to be a better option for people who aren't 100% used to carrying a firearm.

Reeek · 10-13-2007, 08:40 PM

You guys are all really good about multiple arguments for or against a choice that seems so simple. This is exactly why I like this forum so much.

Thanks for all the insight. Now I'm more fickle than I thought I would be!

robinsre · 10-13-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reeek

You guys are all really good about multiple arguments for or against a choice that seems so simple. This is exactly why I like this forum so much.

Thanks for all the insight. Now I'm more fickle than I thought I would be!

Out of curiosity why don't you want to carry a 1911?

10-12-2007, 11:21 AM	#1
Reeek XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,781	Manual safety or decocker I have guns with both so I know where I lean but I was wondering what the basic arguments are between each method. I'm leaning toward wanting to carry cocked and locked so I'm leaning toward the manual safety. Is a decocker's only real value in the safety factor? My CZ P-01 has a decocker. My Taurus PT145 can be cocked and locked. I don't have any experience with CCW with either yet because my permit is due any day but it's not here yet. I'm asking because I want a full size all metal .45 but probably not a 1911 so I'm really looking to get a CZ 97 B but a Sig 220 (I'd likley get the Carry DA/SA or SAO model in Sig) is possible too. The CZ 97 B is due to come out with a decocker model after the new year but I'm thinking I may just want the manual safety model now. Thoughts? __________________ U.S Navy Veteran - CTT - Naval Security Group Guns: XD9SC with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights CZ P-01 with Meprolights - green/green EAA Witness (Tangfolio) Elite Match .45 Taurus PT1911 with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights Kel-Tec P3AT Fulton Armory FAR-15 Predator, 24" SS 1x12 Barrel w/Mueller TAC II Savage 93R17 BVSS .17 HMR Remington 870 18" 6+1 w/Choate Mark 6

10-12-2007, 11:24 AM	#2
KingAirDriver XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: FL230 and KS Posts: 1,374	If you didn't specify that you wanted an all metal gun, then I'd point you to an HK USP/USP Compact. DA/SA, safety and decock, but you can carry it C&L! __________________ "When life's on the line, we're in the air." Freight Dogs - Order of the Sleepless Knights.

10-12-2007, 11:31 AM	#3
Reeek XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,781	That's pretty cool to have both. I'm really Polymer'ed out though. 3 of my 4 guns are poly guns right now __________________ U.S Navy Veteran - CTT - Naval Security Group Guns: XD9SC with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights CZ P-01 with Meprolights - green/green EAA Witness (Tangfolio) Elite Match .45 Taurus PT1911 with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights Kel-Tec P3AT Fulton Armory FAR-15 Predator, 24" SS 1x12 Barrel w/Mueller TAC II Savage 93R17 BVSS .17 HMR Remington 870 18" 6+1 w/Choate Mark 6

10-13-2007, 06:31 PM	#4
[TASF]Maverick XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: VA Posts: 1,184	If you don't want to fumble with a manual safety, carry on DA. If you don't want the heavy, long trigger pull of DA and what the same pull on every shot, get something with a manual safety where you can carry cocked and locked. If all your after is a consistent pull of the trigger, but also don't want to hassle with a manual safety, Glock, XD, HK, Sig, etc, etc all have options out there for you. I'm scratching my head about why your criteria automatically scratches a polymer pistol out of the equation... but hey, to each his own. I love the ability to decock and engage the safety on my USP when it's sitting in the safe or in a hiking pack. __________________ "There's always been groups of people that couldn't really see eye to eye. I always thought if they got a chance to sit down and talk face to face, they'd realize that they have a lot in common." Chris Ledoux HK P2000sk .40 v2 Stainless HK USPf .40 v1, future suppressor host

10-13-2007, 06:37 PM	#5
Reeek XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,781	[quote='[TASF]Maverick;742475']I'm scratching my head about why your criteria automatically scratches a polymer pistol out of the equation... but hey, to each his own. quote] Only because I already have 3 poly guns out of the 4 I own. My CZ is, as you probably know, an alloy frame. I want a full sized all steel gun next. That's all. __________________ U.S Navy Veteran - CTT - Naval Security Group Guns: XD9SC with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights CZ P-01 with Meprolights - green/green EAA Witness (Tangfolio) Elite Match .45 Taurus PT1911 with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights Kel-Tec P3AT Fulton Armory FAR-15 Predator, 24" SS 1x12 Barrel w/Mueller TAC II Savage 93R17 BVSS .17 HMR Remington 870 18" 6+1 w/Choate Mark 6

10-13-2007, 08:15 PM	#6
KingAirDriver XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: FL230 and KS Posts: 1,374	If you're dead set on steel and prefer C&L carry, then I'd go with a CZ or a 1911...even though you said probably not a 1911. I really don't like carrying a DA/SA firearm that has been decocked to a DA pull...I want my first shot to hit the mark, and I have yet to fire a DA where I'm as accurate as a SA pull! C&L is wonderful! Such bliss!! __________________ "When life's on the line, we're in the air." Freight Dogs - Order of the Sleepless Knights.

10-13-2007, 08:25 PM	#7
Bilt4Comfort XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Desert Southwest Posts: 326	The CZ 97 is quite a heavy piece to carry much. The trigger on mine is pretty smooth though in DA. I do not have a holster for it yet, but if I were to carry it...I would opt for half cocked hammer safety and DA pull. The CZ will not let you engage the manual safety unless it's fully cocked. You can't even engage the safety with the hammer down. The DA pull is really similar to my Smith 642. __________________ Rem870Tac SA XD40 SC Taurus M608 Henry.22 You cannot legislate morality, and banning inanimate objects will never substitute for personal responsibility. Banning and limiting things merely makes them profitable to criminals via laws of supply and demand.

10-13-2007, 08:29 PM	#8
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,777	All depends. I like both for different reasons. Manual safeties are good for single action only triggers (like the 1911) a sharp crisp trigger pull on a single action trigger can't be beat, but a manual safety can be accidentally bumped/flipped off (has happened once or twice on my 1911, the backstrap safety and good trigger control prevented a tragedy. Decockers are good for double action triggers. That long trigger pull takes longer to get used to, but I consider it to be a better option for people who aren't 100% used to carrying a firearm. __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have.

10-13-2007, 08:40 PM	#9
Reeek XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,781	You guys are all really good about multiple arguments for or against a choice that seems so simple. This is exactly why I like this forum so much. Thanks for all the insight. Now I'm more fickle than I thought I would be! __________________ U.S Navy Veteran - CTT - Naval Security Group Guns: XD9SC with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights CZ P-01 with Meprolights - green/green EAA Witness (Tangfolio) Elite Match .45 Taurus PT1911 with Heinie Straight 8 Night Sights Kel-Tec P3AT Fulton Armory FAR-15 Predator, 24" SS 1x12 Barrel w/Mueller TAC II Savage 93R17 BVSS .17 HMR Remington 870 18" 6+1 w/Choate Mark 6

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