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tbhahn · 09-24-2007, 08:07 PM

Hit the local gun show up this past weekend, and picked up a 91/30 and 160 rounds of ammo for 85 bucks out the door. Next time the weather is favorable and I don't have work or flight school, I plan on taking it to the range.

Also, are there any tips concerning cleaning after using corrosive surplus ammo? Will Hoppes 9, Bore Scrubber, and patches do the trick, or is there a better/more thorough way?

**DanTheEldest** · 09-24-2007, 09:34 PM

Congrats on the Russian War Club.

The only extra thing to do when shooting corrosive ammo is you have to neutralize the salts that remain from the "dirty" primer. The general consensus is run some patches with a 50/50 mix of ammonia and water (do this outside--it's pretty pungent) to take care of the residue, then clean as you would for non-corrosive ammo. It's important to get all the areas of the rifle that are exposed to the primer salts, too; I learned this after paying meticulous attention to the barrel, but soon found a ring of rust around the firing pin hole on the bolt face.

Just be thorough with the cleaning and you'll be fine.

What ammo did they include? Also, any pics of the stampings on the receiver? Decoding the history of each rifle is half the fun.

Also, here are some great reference sites:

www.7.62x54r.net
www.MosinNagant.net

Brickboy240 · 09-25-2007, 08:50 AM

For corrosive ammo, you'll need something that will neitralize the corrosive salts used in the primers. Most gun cleaning oils/solvents will not neutralize the salts.

There is a great product called RB-17 that was made for blackpowder shooters that I have used. Its a greenish gel that smells like Mr Clean and will neutralize corrosive salts from corrosive ammo.

Another cheap fix (and God knows I have done this many times) is to take a bottel of Windex with you to the range. After shooting...when you'r going to put the rifle in the case to go home. Wet a patch with Windex and swab the bore several times and wipe out the bolt/action real well with a wet patch. The ammonia in Windex neutralizes corrosive salts really well. Then, when you get home, clean your rifle like you would any other rifle. Check it the next day or so, but chances are, if you sawb it really well...you will not have any rust.

Some surplus ammo is more corrosive than others. Also, I would be leery of ANY East bloc ammo that says it is non-corrosive. A guy on the SKS boards did a corrosive test on some 7.62x39 surplus from Russia or some other east bloc country that said "non-corrosive" on the box and indeed it WAS mildly corrosive. I believe it was the LVE stuff. He also tested some Ruskie 54R ammo that was marked "noncorrosive" and fount it too was mildly corrosive.

Be careful and clean up right and you'll never see rust. I used to run gobs of corrosive ammo through my Mausers, Enfields, Mosins and SKSs and I never saw a speck of rust. Some of the old cordite-loaded Pakistani 303 British I had was extremely corrosive but I never saw rust on any of my 4 Lee Enfields. I also ran WWII British surplus 303 through these rifles and never saw rust.

Do a Google search for claning up after shooting corrosive ammo - theres got to be some info out there. Moisin-nagant.net used to have a page on corrosive ammo as well.

- brickboy240

jdavionic · 09-25-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tbhahn

Also, are there any tips concerning cleaning after using corrosive surplus ammo? Will Hoppes 9, Bore Scrubber, and patches do the trick, or is there a better/more thorough way?

I always just squirt some window cleaner with ammonia down the bore and in the chamber and receiver area to neutralize the affects of the corrosive primers, then I wipe it clean/run a clean patch through the bore, and then clean as I normally do.

slugger6 · 09-25-2007, 08:57 AM

You've already gotten good advice in the previous posts so I will just say that I hope you enjoy shooting yours as much as I do mine.

tbhahn · 09-25-2007, 04:25 PM

Thanks for the input, y'all. I will give the Windex a shot (nice, handy spray bottle).

I will try to get some markings posted of the rifle as well as the headstamp on the ammo sometime later on this evening.

09-24-2007, 08:07 PM	#1
tbhahn XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Valdosta Posts: 743	New addition to the family Hit the local gun show up this past weekend, and picked up a 91/30 and 160 rounds of ammo for 85 bucks out the door. Next time the weather is favorable and I don't have work or flight school, I plan on taking it to the range. Also, are there any tips concerning cleaning after using corrosive surplus ammo? Will Hoppes 9, Bore Scrubber, and patches do the trick, or is there a better/more thorough way? __________________ A government big enough to give you all that you want is big enough to take it all away. - Barry Goldwater

09-24-2007, 09:34 PM	#2
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,367	Congrats on the Russian War Club. The only extra thing to do when shooting corrosive ammo is you have to neutralize the salts that remain from the "dirty" primer. The general consensus is run some patches with a 50/50 mix of ammonia and water (do this outside--it's pretty pungent) to take care of the residue, then clean as you would for non-corrosive ammo. It's important to get all the areas of the rifle that are exposed to the primer salts, too; I learned this after paying meticulous attention to the barrel, but soon found a ring of rust around the firing pin hole on the bolt face. Just be thorough with the cleaning and you'll be fine. What ammo did they include? Also, any pics of the stampings on the receiver? Decoding the history of each rifle is half the fun. Also, here are some great reference sites: www.7.62x54r.net www.MosinNagant.net __________________ To make mass murder palatable to the public, one must first strip the victims of their inherent humanity. First were the native Americans ("savages"), then the black slaves (only "partly human"), then the Jews and gypsies in Hitler's Europe ("parasites on society"), and now America's unborn (also "not fully human"). Save the Americans--end abortion now. Insights and documentation on our nation's Christian heritage: www.WallBuilders.com

09-25-2007, 08:50 AM	#3
Brickboy240 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 9,264	For corrosive ammo, you'll need something that will neitralize the corrosive salts used in the primers. Most gun cleaning oils/solvents will not neutralize the salts. There is a great product called RB-17 that was made for blackpowder shooters that I have used. Its a greenish gel that smells like Mr Clean and will neutralize corrosive salts from corrosive ammo. Another cheap fix (and God knows I have done this many times) is to take a bottel of Windex with you to the range. After shooting...when you'r going to put the rifle in the case to go home. Wet a patch with Windex and swab the bore several times and wipe out the bolt/action real well with a wet patch. The ammonia in Windex neutralizes corrosive salts really well. Then, when you get home, clean your rifle like you would any other rifle. Check it the next day or so, but chances are, if you sawb it really well...you will not have any rust. Some surplus ammo is more corrosive than others. Also, I would be leery of ANY East bloc ammo that says it is non-corrosive. A guy on the SKS boards did a corrosive test on some 7.62x39 surplus from Russia or some other east bloc country that said "non-corrosive" on the box and indeed it WAS mildly corrosive. I believe it was the LVE stuff. He also tested some Ruskie 54R ammo that was marked "noncorrosive" and fount it too was mildly corrosive. Be careful and clean up right and you'll never see rust. I used to run gobs of corrosive ammo through my Mausers, Enfields, Mosins and SKSs and I never saw a speck of rust. Some of the old cordite-loaded Pakistani 303 British I had was extremely corrosive but I never saw rust on any of my 4 Lee Enfields. I also ran WWII British surplus 303 through these rifles and never saw rust. Do a Google search for claning up after shooting corrosive ammo - theres got to be some info out there. Moisin-nagant.net used to have a page on corrosive ammo as well. - brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

09-25-2007, 08:57 AM	#5
slugger6 XDTalk 20K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 20,103	You've already gotten good advice in the previous posts so I will just say that I hope you enjoy shooting yours as much as I do mine. __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us". - Ralph Waldo Emerson

09-25-2007, 04:25 PM	#6
tbhahn XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Valdosta Posts: 743	Thanks for the input, y'all. I will give the Windex a shot (nice, handy spray bottle). I will try to get some markings posted of the rifle as well as the headstamp on the ammo sometime later on this evening. __________________ A government big enough to give you all that you want is big enough to take it all away. - Barry Goldwater

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