Anyone In These Forums Actually Research CCW And Defense?

[TacBlack]

And let's not write me off in here as a "newbie." I'm new to this forum, but I've had a carry permit since about 1966 when I was in the military.

Mostly what I read about on this forum is "I bought this." or "I bought that." Then it goes into, "I bought this last week and finally got to shoot it." Which inevitably evolves into, "I really like what I have. What should I buy next?"

Jeff Cooper, Rex Applegate, Masaad Ayoob, Dean Speir and some others have actually published books on CCW, carry articles, strategies. It's more involved than getting yourself a high cap 45 ACP and hiding it in your pants.

I don't see much discussion about defensive ammo. Really nothing in here about holsters -- XD doesn't offer much by way of holsters. There's no place in this forum for discussion of tactics, strategies, legal implications.

Surely I'll get flamed for this, but what I'm seeing discussed herein is "what I bought" and "what I plan to buy." That's great for sales figures, but it's not about CCW.

-- Discuss

[Requiem]

I actually don't see any reason to flame you.

You have valid points to your questions. And perhaps we should start posting more of that information. I think it's more of a "social" event of discussing and posting than a "training" environment.

However, there are howtos and some ammo discussion that are littered around here and there. But tactics would be good to add.

However the problem with that type of information on an internet forum, well it's hard to believe for some, since it is the internet and I know I believe everything that I see/read. And possibility of liability of if someone does something stupid becuase they read it on a forum.

But, those really are excuses more than real reasons not to post information. You've got me thinking.

Any ideas for first topics?

[CharlieHo]

What'ya wanna discuss?

Carry ammo? I carry HST in my XD45c. It's chewed up and spit out hundreds without issue

I carry Hydra-Shok in my Bersa. It eats them just as well.

CCW holtsters? I am currently using a C-TAC for my XD, and a Hume 715 for my Bersa. EZ concealablity, stay in place, and lightning quick deployment.

Tactics and training? Well, not everyone can go to the same courses with the same instructors, but any training is better than no training...

Legal Implications? I guess it's worth repeating, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

[scalce]

Originally Posted by TacBlack

I don't see much discussion about defensive ammo. Really nothing in here about holsters -- XD doesn't offer much by way of holsters. There's no place in this forum for discussion of tactics, strategies, legal implications.

You're kidding right?

We have numerous posts covering all three of your examples.

Having a CCW area is not a bad idea though.

[scurtis_34471]

I think this forum is really more about XD enthusiasts shooting the bull about guns and gun-related interests than it is about serious discussions on carry and use. I tend to find more of that on thehighroad.org than I do here. That said, I would not assume that people here just buy a gun and shove it in their pants. Not talking about doing it and not doing it are two different things.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

I somewhat agree with you. This site is just a great General Chat Forum. After all, the name of the forum is not "CCW tactics and legalities". Nor do all people here even carry. Many members on the forum are in areas where they cannot carry. So, general chat is par for the course, here.

Myself, I have researched for years what to carry and how to carry it. I have tested many different holster types. Mostly by trial and error, and all at my expense. I have taken a course on CCW legality and implications in my state. I attended a seminar conducted by a prosecutor and a police officer regarding what I CAN and CANNOT do. I frequently watch Massad Ayoob's DVD's, and am an avid fan of Personal Defense Television, hosted by Ayoob. I practice near-weekly on the range. I participate in IDPA events, on occasion, and my instructor is an LEO trainer. I am no Rambo, but I feel that I am doing the best I can do to keep abreast of CCW tactics and implications. Actually, CCW and defense is one of my favorite topics.

I carry a Glock 36 .45 ACP, canted at 3:00 position. It is extremely slim, 26.99 ounces loaded and carries nicely IWB. I use a C-Tac rig, and also have a Hume Pancake and a Galco Kydex IWB. Different rigs for different occasions. This is the most comfortable rig for me. Generally, I carry a spare mag at 9:00. I have tried tons of configs, and this is the most comfortable, and quickest on the range. I am up in the air on my Ammo. I am currently packing Cor-Bon 185gr, but have received some advice to carry a reliable solid ammo, and avoid LEO and "mankiller" rounds. Makes defending a justified shooting case a little easier. That is up for debate. Depends on the prosecutor. I am still hashing out the change to solid ball.

I played the "cool guy" when I first started carrying years ago, and carried my 1911 or Beretta 92, with little regard for comfort. Over the years, through experience, reading, training, and back pain, I have refined myself to the Glock Slimline. I stay proficient with it, and practice point shooting and close quarters draw and fire. That's the best a guy can do. IMHO

[TacBlack]

Originally Posted by scurtis_34471

I think this forum is really more about XD enthusiasts shooting the bull about guns and gun-related interests than it is about serious discussions on carry and use. I tend to find more of that on thehighroad.org than I do here. That said, I would not assume that people here just buy a gun and shove it in their pants. Not talking about doing it and not doing it are two different things.

OK, short term response interval here, and I'm favorably impressed. (If that's not redundant.)

I'm inclined to push and exaggerate in order to pique a response. But I'm pleased to see that my concerns are not dismissed out of hand.

And on that note, it's fine to "list" what you carry/use, but the why needs some discussion. I've been looking through some Ayoob lately and his discussion of defense ammo was interesting.

The hot defense load for 38 Spl is a 158 gr. +P load in a lead SWC with a hollowpoint. It has been field proved by several LEO departments. Ayoob lists the departments.

As for 45 ACP, he likes the Rem. 185 gr. JHP loaded to about 1,150 fps. Makes a big hole, doesn't over-penetrate, but mostly, provides a flat trajectory which allows for reasonablly effective handgun shots out to 100 yds. (in a tactical pinch).

.357 SIG, which I've never considered. It's basically a necked down 40 S&W to a 9mm bullet. An officer unloaded his 45 ACP at a BG taking cover in a semi-truck. The 45 ACP wouldn't penetrate the cab of the truck, but the 357 SIG took out the target in one shot.

32 ACP -- Win. Silvertips are the way to go, if 32 ACP is what you're going to carry. I just bought a box. My copper jacketed stuff is getting used for target practice with this gun.

Pros and cons of plastic holsters. I like leather, because it's leather -- like leather upholstery, and leather boots. Plastic fits without break-in, most can be adjusted for tension, some interesting retention features on the newer stuff. But it can break. XD offers a "Fobus" holster. I wrote it off as "plastic junk." Now I'm looking at it some more.

Pocket holsters -- keeps the dingleberries out of the gun. Keeps the gun oriented in the pocket. Keeps foreign objects out of the trigger guard. Breaks up the outline of the gun in the pocket.

An advantage to pocket carry that I use a lot: You can have your hand in your pocket and hold your gun without looking conspicuous.

Ankle carry is the most ready access if you're put off your feet, but the least accessible if you're standing. Ankle rigs catch all the dirt off the street. Because they need to be snug fitting, they can cause circulation problems in your legs. They're hard to walk with, and often the gun gets exposed when you sit. But a gun in the boot is "old school" stuff from the 19th Cent.

Massad Ayoob, "Gun Digest Combat Handgunnery" 5th Ed.

[PackerfanXD]

Maybe you should move on to this forum...

http://www.defensivecarry.com/

[lobster_roboto]

Defensive carry is a great site... However I enjoy the company here at xdtalk...



I am currently carrying an XD45 compact in a uncle mikes neoprene wonder at noonish...

I do this because... I am small... I can't carry the XD at any other position without it being overly uncomfortable or have it printing like silly putty on newspaper.
I ordered a thunderwear holster to give that a whirl.. I am more of a do it myself and find out person...

lately... I've been trying to figure out what to do about dress clothes... I can not even fathom tucking my shirt in over my gun. So ankle carry of a snub wheel gun or a smaller semi-auto.. or pocket carry. These are issues that I think about constantly.. I really don't like the idea of sacrificing anything just to be comfortable... and need the quickest way possible of having a concealed weapon in the largest possible caliber.

[Ed Ely]

I do not know about 'moving on' as this member
has brought up some nice topics for discussion.

This forum has the priviledge to accept all members
from the general public. Many come here as newbies,
new XD owners, seasoned veterans in the use of and
ownership of firearms, young and old members and
truly those who want to impart information which
they have acquired over may years.

There are many topics which any member can
start in a thread. According to the mood, interest
and such of the forum posters, thread will take off
or it will drop slowly down the thread list.

At present, I do not think that Kermee will add
another sub forum specific - Tactics nor Concealed
Carrry. Saying this, I must repeat what I said above,
any subject matter (as long as it does not defeat
the CofC) will be tolerated and the forum members
will decide it's fate.

Ed