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ChrisChris · 08-30-2007, 12:02 AM

I am tired of hearing BS at the range or from people who feel they know everything about ballistics. I am so sick of hearing from some idiot claim that a 9mm can only wound and "So and So" knows a guy who was shot with X round and barley felt it.

I am in search of a factual and accurate ballistic info. Can anyone suggest a solid read, hopefully in print that is a strong source?

robinsre · 08-30-2007, 12:14 AM

if you're looking for decent "backyard ballistics" I.E what a round can do look here

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

If you want ballistic load data go down to your local sporting goods store and pick up a reloading manual. It will tell you the velocity and energy of various loads in different calibers.

robinsre · 08-30-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisChris

I am so sick of hearing from some idiot claim that a 9mm can only wound and "So and So" knows a guy who was shot with X round and barley felt it.

LoL. I had a buddy that REGULARLY used to try to tell me that 9mm wouldn't cause enough pain to be an "effective stopper". I got so fed up with it I told him there was $500 bucks in cold hard cash for him if he would shoot himself with 2 rounds of any commercially available center fire OR rim fire pistol caliber center of mass and walk away from it without having to go to the hospital.

That ended that discussion really fast.

blefferd · 08-30-2007, 12:21 AM

there is alot of info out there on ballisitics, but i think you are looking for a diffrent type,

try talking to a mortician in a big city that is going to be your best info, i read on a message board or something about a mortician that was pro gun etc and you would be supprised as to what he had to say. about differnt calibers, bullet sizes, types. ie hollow points acting like hardballs and hardballs doing the damage of hollowpoints, etc etc etc.

IIRC he was a mortician in ATL with and saw alot of gang shootings etc so he would see all kinds of calibers, wierd stuff done to bullets etc stuff like that it was a really good read.

sidenote i do remeber him saying the 9mm did not perform well as in the bodies had more bullet holes in them LOL and the ones hit with .357 had less bullet holes!!

none of it was scientific just all his obersvations as a mortician in a big city!

Jmanwit · 08-30-2007, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blefferd

there is alot of info out there on ballisitics, but i think you are looking for a diffrent type,

try talking to a mortician in a big city that is going to be your best info, i read on a message board or something about a mortician that was pro gun etc and you would be supprised as to what he had to say. about differnt calibers, bullet sizes, types. ie hollow points acting like hardballs and hardballs doing the damage of hollowpoints, etc etc etc.

IIRC he was a mortician in ATL with and saw alot of gang shootings etc so he would see all kinds of calibers, wierd stuff done to bullets etc stuff like that it was a really good read.

sidenote i do remeber him saying the 9mm did not perform well as in the bodies had more bullet holes in them LOL and the ones hit with .357 had less bullet holes!!

none of it was scientific just all his obersvations as a mortician in a big city!

I would like to read that. Find it, if you can, and post it.

bigun · 08-30-2007, 04:00 AM

LOL think about it for a moment there will probably be more bullet holes in someone shot with a 9mm because most 9's carry alot more than 6 rounds and people in high stress situations tend to shoot untill a gun is empty. Any solid calliber 9mm and above with modern hollow points will kill quickly with center mass shots or shots to the central nervous system. Even a .22 long rifle will do the job with a well placed shot. Ask the Massad what they use for hits. I personally carry either a .40 S&W or a .45 acp but in a pinch would not feel under gunned with a quality 9mm. In fact I carry a 9mm Beretta for a duty weapon. The key is hitting what you shoot at and using quality ammo.

cmcarlile · 08-30-2007, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robinsre

if you're looking for decent "backyard ballistics" I.E what a round can do look here

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

If you want ballistic load data go down to your local sporting goods store and pick up a reloading manual. It will tell you the velocity and energy of various loads in different calibers.

Love the box o truth! How can you not be entertained by someone who shoots dimes from a shotgun?!?!?!

propellerhead · 08-30-2007, 07:18 AM

There's lots of good reading here if you want a little bit more scientific stuff than Box O' Truth.

http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/title1.html

Krackels · 08-30-2007, 07:21 AM

http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...ubb=forum;f=78

DocGKR is a very well educated man in regards to terminal effects.

And of course there's the FBI studies. http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

Bree · 08-30-2007, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robinsre

LoL. I had a buddy that REGULARLY used to try to tell me that 9mm wouldn't cause enough pain to be an "effective stopper". I got so fed up with it I told him there was $500 bucks in cold hard cash for him if he would shoot himself with 2 rounds of any commercially available center fire OR rim fire pistol caliber center of mass and walk away from it without having to go to the hospital.

That ended that discussion really fast.

Great move! I love that! LOL!

08-30-2007, 12:02 AM	#1
ChrisChris XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 158	In search of factual ballistic info I am tired of hearing BS at the range or from people who feel they know everything about ballistics. I am so sick of hearing from some idiot claim that a 9mm can only wound and "So and So" knows a guy who was shot with X round and barley felt it. I am in search of a factual and accurate ballistic info. Can anyone suggest a solid read, hopefully in print that is a strong source?

08-30-2007, 12:14 AM	#2
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,929	if you're looking for decent "backyard ballistics" I.E what a round can do look here http://www.theboxotruth.com/ If you want ballistic load data go down to your local sporting goods store and pick up a reloading manual. It will tell you the velocity and energy of various loads in different calibers. __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have.

08-30-2007, 12:21 AM	#4
blefferd XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 1,552	there is alot of info out there on ballisitics, but i think you are looking for a diffrent type, try talking to a mortician in a big city that is going to be your best info, i read on a message board or something about a mortician that was pro gun etc and you would be supprised as to what he had to say. about differnt calibers, bullet sizes, types. ie hollow points acting like hardballs and hardballs doing the damage of hollowpoints, etc etc etc. IIRC he was a mortician in ATL with and saw alot of gang shootings etc so he would see all kinds of calibers, wierd stuff done to bullets etc stuff like that it was a really good read. sidenote i do remeber him saying the 9mm did not perform well as in the bodies had more bullet holes in them LOL and the ones hit with .357 had less bullet holes!! none of it was scientific just all his obersvations as a mortician in a big city! __________________ ____________________________ NEF 20 Guage Parder Model (single shot) S&W 642 .38

08-30-2007, 04:00 AM	#6
bigun XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Iowa Posts: 3,034	LOL think about it for a moment there will probably be more bullet holes in someone shot with a 9mm because most 9's carry alot more than 6 rounds and people in high stress situations tend to shoot untill a gun is empty. Any solid calliber 9mm and above with modern hollow points will kill quickly with center mass shots or shots to the central nervous system. Even a .22 long rifle will do the job with a well placed shot. Ask the Massad what they use for hits. I personally carry either a .40 S&W or a .45 acp but in a pinch would not feel under gunned with a quality 9mm. In fact I carry a 9mm Beretta for a duty weapon. The key is hitting what you shoot at and using quality ammo. __________________ The second ammendment is the ammendment that protects all of the others.

08-30-2007, 07:18 AM	#8
propellerhead XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Foat Wurth, TX Posts: 3,559	There's lots of good reading here if you want a little bit more scientific stuff than Box O' Truth. http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/title1.html __________________ XD-9 Tactical for IDPA, XD-40 Subcompact for concealed carry, XD-45 Service for home defense. Three calibers, three models, three purposes. No compromises.

08-30-2007, 07:21 AM	#9
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,562 Blog Entries: 5	http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...ubb=forum;f=78 DocGKR is a very well educated man in regards to terminal effects. And of course there's the FBI studies. http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call Last edited by Krackels; 08-30-2007 at 07:24 AM.

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