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Paul · 08-03-2007, 10:27 PM

I have read the gun vs knife debate. I shared it with my neighbor that a knife at 7 yards is a problem. We did an quick experiment. He drew his trusty single action six gun from his tied down holster and I ran at him from about 7 yards (yes, he was facing away from me). I got 2/3 there before he got his shot off (theoretically of course).

I hope we can go shooting together sometime. I want to time his draw to first shot.

I must be getting slow!

Of course his comment was don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

ichy_trigger · 08-03-2007, 10:34 PM

Even if the guy is shot, he could still slash or stab you.

retired · 08-04-2007, 12:11 AM

During one of my training classes over the year on my dept., we were told even if the heart was blown out of the body, the guy could conceivably still have about 15 seconds before the brain knew he was dead. In other words he could still stab/slice you as was said.

If the guy was on drugs, even worse.

I know of a case where the guy was on pcp and killed a woman with a hatchet. A number of deps. shot him; one put 5 in the 10 ring (.3

. It took 16 rounds, 2 of which were 00 buck, to finally kill him.

chupacabrachus · 08-04-2007, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

Even if the guy is shot, he could still slash or stab you.

Or most ironic of all, fall over dead with the knife extended in a clenched hand stabbing you.

ichy_trigger · 08-04-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retired

During one of my training classes over the year on my dept., we were told even if the heart was blown out of the body, the guy could conceivably still have about 15 seconds before the brain knew he was dead. In other words he could still stab/slice you as was said.

If the guy was on drugs, even worse.

I know of a case where the guy was on pcp and killed a woman with a hatchet. A number of deps. shot him; one put 5 in the 10 ring (.3

. It took 16 rounds, 2 of which were 00 buck, to finally kill him.

WOW!

Paul · 08-04-2007, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retired

During one of my training classes over the year on my dept., we were told even if the heart was blown out of the body, the guy could conceivably still have about 15 seconds before the brain knew he was dead. In other words he could still stab/slice you as was said.

If the guy was on drugs, even worse.

I know of a case where the guy was on pcp and killed a woman with a hatchet. A number of deps. shot him; one put 5 in the 10 ring (.3

. It took 16 rounds, 2 of which were 00 buck, to finally kill him.

Thanks for the info. I had forgot how long it takes even a heart shot to stop someone. We will skip testing both of these.

adamdude04 · 08-04-2007, 08:42 AM

eh see if someone brings a knife to a gun fight..you gotta keep it fair: throw your gun at them and hope you knock him out!!!

..just my two cents of course

Lucky Strike · 08-04-2007, 08:44 AM

i pray i never run into someone hopped up on PCP.

Mutilator · 08-04-2007, 09:23 AM

Shooting pattern: Heart, head, crotch, knee, knee. Don't forget to side strafe back and forth while doing this. Maybe throw in some bunny hopping for good measure.

xd4life · 08-04-2007, 09:51 AM

It's not just the PCP you need to worry about, Meth has about the same effect. I just watched a thing on Meth, I always knew that chemicals used to manufacture it were hazardous and required a enviromental clean-up but I didn't know some of the actual chemicals. You put that crap in your body, you deserve the side effect other than the high...

08-03-2007, 10:27 PM	#1
Paul XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,648	Gun vs Knife I have read the gun vs knife debate. I shared it with my neighbor that a knife at 7 yards is a problem. We did an quick experiment. He drew his trusty single action six gun from his tied down holster and I ran at him from about 7 yards (yes, he was facing away from me). I got 2/3 there before he got his shot off (theoretically of course). I hope we can go shooting together sometime. I want to time his draw to first shot. I must be getting slow! Of course his comment was don't bring a knife to a gun fight. __________________ Paul

08-03-2007, 10:34 PM	#2
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,525	Even if the guy is shot, he could still slash or stab you. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

08-04-2007, 12:11 AM	#3
retired XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: S. Calif. Posts: 5,404	During one of my training classes over the year on my dept., we were told even if the heart was blown out of the body, the guy could conceivably still have about 15 seconds before the brain knew he was dead. In other words he could still stab/slice you as was said. If the guy was on drugs, even worse. I know of a case where the guy was on pcp and killed a woman with a hatchet. A number of deps. shot him; one put 5 in the 10 ring (.3. It took 16 rounds, 2 of which were 00 buck, to finally kill him.

08-04-2007, 08:42 AM	#7
adamdude04 XDTalk Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 92	eh see if someone brings a knife to a gun fight..you gotta keep it fair: throw your gun at them and hope you knock him out!!! ..just my two cents of course __________________ Colorado State Patrol

08-04-2007, 09:51 AM	#10
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	It's not just the PCP you need to worry about, Meth has about the same effect. I just watched a thing on Meth, I always knew that chemicals used to manufacture it were hazardous and required a enviromental clean-up but I didn't know some of the actual chemicals. You put that crap in your body, you deserve the side effect other than the high... __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

08-04-2007, 08:44 AM	#8
Lucky Strike XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 166	i pray i never run into someone hopped up on PCP.

08-04-2007, 09:23 AM	#9
Mutilator XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 100	Shooting pattern: Heart, head, crotch, knee, knee. Don't forget to side strafe back and forth while doing this. Maybe throw in some bunny hopping for good measure.

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