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**einheit 13** · 06-18-2007, 04:39 PM

Why is it that when folks start ragging on AKs, they ALWAYS(2nd after accuracy) say that mag changes are too slow?? That the 'paddle' release and 'rock to lock' set up suck?? Meanwhile the M14, CETME, HK series (both MP and G), Mini 14/30s, and FAL/STGs all use a paddle release and/or the rock it in method-but no one 'whines' about that....just curious about that.....

Verk · 06-18-2007, 05:15 PM

I admit I'm not a big fan of the AK family of weapons for a couple of reasons but somewhat slower magazine changes isn't an issue as far as I am concerned.

Same goes for a speed or tactical reload with a pistol in a defensive situation. I have never seen a stopwatch used in a gun fight.

**DanTheEldest** · 06-18-2007, 05:30 PM

There were a couple video clips posted around here somewhere of a practiced user showing techniques for quick AK mag changes. I remember it being impressive enough that I don't consider the AK's mag design a handicap anymore--it just takes a little more practice and knowledge of your equipment to get fluid at it.

People rag on AK's for the same reason Glockies rag on....well, everybody else. In mil rifles as in every other area of the gun world, there are groups who think what they've got, the ______________ (insert brand x) is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and everybody's else's bang-bang of choice is inferior.

Eh....*shrugs*.....I like AR's and AK's, but AK's are cheaper so it's going to come home first. Plus, I've got this whole Russian gun fixation thing going on right now....

Requiem4Senses · 06-18-2007, 05:41 PM

I'm an AR fan over the AK, but I still love AK's. Something to be said about a weapon that will fire no matter what kind of hell you put it through.

**einheit 13** · 06-18-2007, 05:48 PM

Glad yall like AKs........but thats not my question. Why is it acceptible for 'other' rifles to have pretty much the same mag change process, but not AKs?? Wheres the logic in that??

Becareful Dan, you'll get into M95 Nagants, Makarovs, and Tokarevs next...

ArmyGuy45 · 06-18-2007, 05:53 PM

i love ak... dirt cheap.. put a few 1000 rounds through it... and dont worry about cleaning it.. just buy a new one!!!

Bob Hostetter · 06-18-2007, 05:54 PM

The AK is an excellent military weapon but compared to an AR/M-16 based system it is slower to reload. If you are interested in using a rifle system in an enviroment where time is ultra important then the AR/M-16 system is better. The same is true about the other rifles you mentioned. It doesn't make them better or worse, just slower to reload..........

jdavionic · 06-18-2007, 06:22 PM

simple answer...bias. If you like AKs, you'll tend to be sensitive to biased opinions against them.

Why care? Let the general consensus gain momentum and maybe the prices will drop. I would love to own an AK. Hopefully I'll buy one before our constitutional rights are dissolved. In the meantime, I value opinions of folks that actually own & shoot their guns. Not some mindless numbnuts that regurgitates rhetoric that he/she read on a gun board.

**beardman2** · 06-18-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by einheit 13

Why is it that when folks start ragging on AKs, they ALWAYS(2nd after accuracy) say that mag changes are too slow?? That the 'paddle' release and 'rock to lock' set up suck?? Meanwhile the M14, CETME, HK series (both MP and G), Mini 14/30s, and FAL/STGs all use a paddle release and/or the rock it in method-but no one 'whines' about that....just curious about that.....

because ARs are the paris hiltons of the firearms world.

leeindy · 06-18-2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by einheit 13

Glad yall like AKs........but thats not my question. Why is it acceptible for 'other' rifles to have pretty much the same mag change process, but not AKs?? Wheres the logic in that??

Becareful Dan, you'll get into M95 Nagants, Makarovs, and Tokarevs next...

the answer is ergonmics. on the AR everything can be done EASILY with out ever removing the fireing hand from the grip.

06-18-2007, 04:39 PM	#1
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,672	Question...... Why is it that when folks start ragging on AKs, they ALWAYS(2nd after accuracy) say that mag changes are too slow?? That the 'paddle' release and 'rock to lock' set up suck?? Meanwhile the M14, CETME, HK series (both MP and G), Mini 14/30s, and FAL/STGs all use a paddle release and/or the rock it in method-but no one 'whines' about that....just curious about that..... __________________ Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.”

06-18-2007, 05:30 PM	#3
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,370	There were a couple video clips posted around here somewhere of a practiced user showing techniques for quick AK mag changes. I remember it being impressive enough that I don't consider the AK's mag design a handicap anymore--it just takes a little more practice and knowledge of your equipment to get fluid at it. People rag on AK's for the same reason Glockies rag on....well, everybody else. In mil rifles as in every other area of the gun world, there are groups who think what they've got, the ______________ (insert brand x) is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and everybody's else's bang-bang of choice is inferior. Eh....shrugs.....I like AR's and AK's, but AK's are cheaper so it's going to come home first. Plus, I've got this whole Russian gun fixation thing going on right now.... __________________ To make mass murder palatable to the public, one must first strip the victims of their inherent humanity. First were the native Americans ("savages"), then the black slaves (only "partly human"), then the Jews and gypsies in Hitler's Europe ("parasites on society"), and now America's unborn (also "not fully human"). Save the Americans--end abortion now. Insights and documentation on our nation's Christian heritage: www.WallBuilders.com

06-18-2007, 05:41 PM	#4
Requiem4Senses XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Springfield, OR Posts: 540	I'm an AR fan over the AK, but I still love AK's. Something to be said about a weapon that will fire no matter what kind of hell you put it through. __________________ XD40 V10 (ported) XD40 SC OD Green "The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people...that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." -Thomas Jefferson to Major John Cartwright June 5th, 1824

06-18-2007, 05:48 PM	#5
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,672	Glad yall like AKs........but thats not my question. Why is it acceptible for 'other' rifles to have pretty much the same mag change process, but not AKs?? Wheres the logic in that?? Becareful Dan, you'll get into M95 Nagants, Makarovs, and Tokarevs next... __________________ Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.”

06-18-2007, 05:53 PM	#6
ArmyGuy45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mesa,AZ / Ft Carson, CO Posts: 3,419	i love ak... dirt cheap.. put a few 1000 rounds through it... and dont worry about cleaning it.. just buy a new one!!! __________________ US Army 2005 - Present XD45 Compact - My Carry Suresights Springer Precision Trigger Kit/Bar ( needs install ) NRA Life Member Myspace If they take my guns, ill carry a sword!

06-18-2007, 05:15 PM	#2
Verk XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 344	I admit I'm not a big fan of the AK family of weapons for a couple of reasons but somewhat slower magazine changes isn't an issue as far as I am concerned. Same goes for a speed or tactical reload with a pistol in a defensive situation. I have never seen a stopwatch used in a gun fight.

06-18-2007, 05:54 PM	#7
Bob Hostetter XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: So Calif Posts: 278	The AK is an excellent military weapon but compared to an AR/M-16 based system it is slower to reload. If you are interested in using a rifle system in an enviroment where time is ultra important then the AR/M-16 system is better. The same is true about the other rifles you mentioned. It doesn't make them better or worse, just slower to reload.......... __________________ Bob Hostetter

06-18-2007, 06:22 PM	#8
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	simple answer...bias. If you like AKs, you'll tend to be sensitive to biased opinions against them. Why care? Let the general consensus gain momentum and maybe the prices will drop. I would love to own an AK. Hopefully I'll buy one before our constitutional rights are dissolved. In the meantime, I value opinions of folks that actually own & shoot their guns. Not some mindless numbnuts that regurgitates rhetoric that he/she read on a gun board.

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